Revshare vs PPS.

[mynameisjim]

Because of another thread, I got to looking at my rebills. Usually I just see them day to day and keep track in my mind who's doing what and stick with those. But I never really looked at everything.

CC Bill shows 25 items per page so you get a ton of pages when going through all your stats. I'm not going to screen grab them all but here are 3 pages in a row. I didn't pick my best and I didn't pick the worst.



Notice the amount earned per signup. Nearly $100 on average and a majority are set to rebill for another month.

What's the point? I'm not bragging because for all you know, those could be the only sales I've ever made.

The point is to not be fooled by sites offering $35, $40, or even $50 PPS. Those don't always equal more money. Maybe for that PARTICULAR site it's the best option, but is PPS the best for YOUR TRAFFIC? You could literally be losing thousands of dollars right now.

If you choose your sites carefully and go in it for the long haul, you can literally make twice as much (or more) by promoting HIGH QUALITY sites with revshare.

[razor]

The beauty about revshare is that you can take a months vacation and still get a check without having to hit a home run.

Not many programs are great at revshare and I only have a few that consistently rebill.

You have to wonder about programs paying $150 pps - is it because business is good or bad , that they are offering these huge payouts. And how do they finance these payouts , cross-sales , shaving or are they that confident in their ability to upsell and rebill?

[mynameisjim]

Originally posted by razor
The beauty about revshare is that you can take a months vacation and still get a check without having to hit a home run.

So true. They can really make a bad sales week seem not so bad.

Anyway, just trying to get some of the newer affiliates to consider pushing quality sites.

I know I'm not telling you old pros anything you don't already know.

[sunfunbill]

Thanks for sharing with us Jim. My problem is trying to figure out just what the SURFER considers a quality site. I really don't know, to be honest. I mean we all see those cookie cutter sites and so on, those are bad.

But what about that network call brazzers I think it's called? I see most of the same models in each one. But if you get like 40 sites for the price of one, seems to me that's a great deal!

In fact if I ever joined a site, my thinking is why join a place that has just one site when you can get 40? Your paying to see naked women, not drink wine. So more content=more porn, that simple.

However I can see the appeal of solo sites that interact with the surfer. But most just want to see lots of porn. I'm still trying to figure out what is a quality site in the eyes of the surfer.

[Josea]

Here's what I think of revshare vs paid per signup (pps);

If you are promoting a site with licensed content that matches it but your model is not in your sponsors site then pps would be good since the surfer might not rebill if he can't find the model you used to sell him the site.

If the sponsor can give you good semi-exclusive content from the actual site then revshare would be better then pps because the promotional content matches perfectly. Also maybe you can license the same content for a perfect match.

I'm assuming that you are only promoting quality site.

I'm no expert (yet) but that's my 2 pennies.

[Josea]

Originally posted by sunfunbill

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However I can see the appeal of solo sites that interact with the surfer. But most just want to see lots of porn. I'm still trying to figure out what is a quality site in the eyes of the surfer.

To a surfer who is looking for lots of porn and don't care too much which fetish or if the content is any good, a quality site would be one that has the most content and costs the least (preferably bypassing the login). Such a surfer will love an offer for 40 or more sites for the price of one (especially if he could cancel just after signing up and keep enjoying the content). Okay, I might be exagerating a little.

For the surfer looking for his particular fetish, which he fears interests only him, a quality site is one that only has his fetish and only his fetish. For example lets say the surfer is a straight crossdresser with a fetish for corsets. He would consider a site quality if all the models (both the crossdressers and the real girls) are wearing corsets. Since he is straight he will reject the site if there is sex with a crossdresser and a guy. Also if he is not into femme domme he will reject the site. And of coarse the models will also wear a veriety of other lingerie but the main fetish must always be included(even if in this case the corset is laying on the floor after the model(s) get naked). Okay. This is an extreem example.

I think that the surfer who will happily continue to rebill is one who finds a site that caters exclusively to his tastes. This makes it harder for the site own if the niche is too rare. But perhaps this kind of extreemly rare niche is best when the site is purposely small with no affilate program, only exclusive content created by the owner and of coarse updates of the same kind of content. Such an owner content creator would probably have to own many such sites since it is unlikely the one would produce enough income. This is also why it should not have an affilate program.

Once again, I'm not an expert yet and this is just my 2 cents.

[housekeeper]

You'll find as you go which sites work best for you with regard to rebills. It's a safe bet sites that update once a week or more with original content are going to do well in rebills. I'm of the thinking that surfers are pretty savvy as far as knowing which sites are which.

One of the public forums I belong to is full of knowledgable people who know the names of all of the models and often times will post pics and such from places that even I've never heard of. I don't use PPS much at all, in some instances I will based on my instinct that the particular site will only keep the surfer for the month. You'll learn as you go and when you see consistences....

[sunfunbill]

Yes to some extent your right. That's why I'm breaking my site down into sections, and sending targeted traffic right to those sections, even though the whole site is about transgenders.

A CD into looking at babes fucking crossdressed guys with strap-ons wants nothing to do with seeing two guys going at it. Some just want to see hot babes dressed in fetish wear.

Others have a sissy complex and want to see sites where the CD gets abused and humiliated. My what fun!!!!

It does seem to most that if a site has only what they are really into, it seems to be a better site, even if another one has more of that niche but also other things. But I'm still confused just what makes one site on the tour look great and another bad.

[Cozy Monica]

I think every webmaster has their own method of choosing sponsors and sites to promote, and which ones they want to use revshare for.

I usually sign up with sponsors under the PPS option first. Then, if someone starts making me decent sales, I will switch to revshare. Then, if they only ever send me two sales, I get a payout, but if they send quite a few more, I go the revshare road and get a lot more.

[will76]

There is pros and cons to both methods:

PPS vs Revshare:
- You get paid now, you don't have to wait 2- 3 months to make what you could be paid for today. Some people don't want to wait, can't afford to wait, or could put that money to use now and make more money from it instead of having to wait to get it.

- It doesn't matter to you if the site is updated or not, if the site has poor customer service, etc.. With PPS you deliever the sale then what the site does with that customer does not affect your income. Revshare if the site goes offline for a couple days you could lose a lot of your rebilling income where as with pps you lose a couple days income.

- Being "partners" with the company. You need to have a company you can trust, for points mentioned above, and also so you get paid. Some sites could either go out of business, or lose their merchant processing ability. The thing with revshare you are counting on making money over time, you build up a data base of active rebilling members. If something happens and you lose that database you can lose several months worth of income vs 1 check (typically a week or two) if you are using pps.

- PPS you get paid for what you send today. If something happens to you and you are unable to work (hospitol, take a vacation, etc...) if you don't work, typically your pps will go down. If you have a lot of members rebilling with revshare you will continue to make money even if you are not working, for a much much longer period of time.

- Revshare, typically over a longer period of time you will make more money. But there are risks as pointed out above.


thats the main points that I could think of. My suggestion is to do a little combination of both. Currently I do a lot more pps, but i do some revshare as a security blanket or reserve income if something were to happen to me or my pps revenue.

[will76]

Originally posted by sunfunbill


But what about that network call brazzers I think it's called? I see most of the same models in each one. But if you get like 40 sites for the price of one, seems to me that's a great deal!

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Brazzers' ads are all over sites with stolen content. They are just as bad as AFF when it comes to who they do business with and there they get their traffic from. They are a black eye on the industry. I can't speak for their content, but they are shitty when it comes to the way they handle business. Also I am pretty sure they are into cross sales. You might want to stay away from that one.

[KaoSouL]

You can usually judge if a site has enough content and quality to encourage rebills...

Use PPS if a site looks low quality or lacks content.... then again is a site is lacking why even bother promoting it?

[mynameisjim]

Originally posted by KaoSouL
You can usually judge if a site has enough content and quality to encourage rebills...

Use PPS if a site looks low quality or lacks content.... then again is a site is lacking why even bother promoting it?

That was exactly my point.

Of course if there is a site you know won't rebill you should take PPS. But why send your traffic there? Find a quality sponsor that rebills and you'll make more.

Now I do know that there are some niches and traffic sources where you're stuck with PPS for various reasons.

But it never hurts to search out for new quality sites, they are out there. And the beauty is, they are probably far less saturated then the PPS sites you are pushing now so even your ratios will be better.

[hotclubsex]

In webcam niche, I suggest to go with PPS