Small checks keep coming,,, but none from paysites!

[sunfunbill]

Well today I got another check, my biggest yet at 112 bucks. But like my last one, it's from a dating site. I still have not made enough on any paysite to get a check yet. Well, except for 32 bucks from ccbill.

I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong. I now have 3 different crossdresser sites that push crossdresser, ladyboy and shemale sites, along with some femdom/bondage stuff.

I've been told those type of sites are great at converting. One thing I suppose hold me back is lack of traffic. All 3 sites combined get maybe 900 hits a day. But I don't see how else to get any more traffic.

Directories are worthless today, and it's hard to find other CD sites to trade with. Plus most are splogs so again it would be worthless traffic.

I suppose I could try top list, I have a few now. Throwing out splogs is not the answer, if I can't get anymore traffic on these I'm not going to get anymore with splogs. I don't see how anyone can make even one sale on a splog.

I guess I just need to give it more time and maybe make a few more good blogs in different niches. Right now I've made more on my google adsense with 2 bucks a day than anything else.

[razor]

But I don't see how else to get any more traffic.

galleries and freesites, link dumps, link exchanges

Directories are worthless today

Directories (mainstream) are useful source of one way links boosting your PR. Just be selective in choosing directories.

Have you tried the social networking/bookmarking sites?

[porn punk]

I was going to say the same thing razor said, but thought it was obvioius. Galleries and Free Sites.

Don't expect 100 dollars for every 900 hits. That's fucking awesome stats. If I was getting that I'd be in fucking heaven!

[Cozy Monica]

Bill, are you sure you are targetting your market correctly?

Would you say that the majority of crossdressers are interested in having sex with other crossdressers? Do you think they are attracted to transsexuals?

The crossdressers that I've known are all straight men who are attracted to women.

I would try advertising a tiny bit for other types of porn... see what happens, watch the clicks in particular and find out what gets clicked on most.

I'm guessing that a certain portion of your traffic is interested in crossdressers, and a certain portion of them are crossdressers themselves who are not.

[sunfunbill]

Hey Monica, funny you should mention that. Over on another board that I visit there has been a lot of talk about just what a CD wants.

Right now most every CD paysite is geared toward bisexual men. So, it shows two guys in dresses banging each other or otherwise having gay sex. That is the only type of site out there for CD's.

BUT, I have made threads myself disputing that assumption. Most CD's ARE straight, with maybe a bit of bi-curious in them. What would be a killer site for CD's is one where guys get "forced" to dress up, also called forced feminization.

They get forced by hot babes, then get a strapon up the ass. Maybe they get a gay guy too and have him suck dick for the bi-curious part. But the end would have the hot chick ride his dick or something for the straight part.

I think a site like that would sell great. That is exactly what I was going to make with my two lesbian friends before they backed out.

So I think we need another site for CD's like that. A new one just came out that is close, but not quite right. In the meantime I think I should put some hot babe sights in the mix too.

Lana's lingerie site would work great, as it has that clothing fetish in it. CD's have a clothing fetish. (duh). I do have her, but need to make some banners for her to get her more noticed on my site.

Thanks for the advice.

[porn punk]

You mean like these sites?

http://www.ferrocash.com/cgi-bin/web...i?ferroc102649

[sunfunbill]

Those are close, but again not quite right. I have some fetish sites I push that have girls banging guys and stuff like that. I have been meaning to join that sponsor when I get the time.

The type of site I have in my mind just does not exist, but I'm sure someone is working on one as I write this!

[porn punk]

You've seen Strap On Sissies, right? They don't have the wrap up you're after as far as I know, but I think you could push those sites anyway (as well as a few of their others) pretty easy just cause of the similiar tones.

I get conversions with them and it's not my main focus at all.

[KatieAnn]

Problem 1: Most CD paysites (or pseudo-CD paysites) feature non-passable guys dressing up and, well . . . acting gay. Meanwhile most real CDs are already insecure about the fact that they don't look or feel feminine enough . . . the last thing they want is to watch a bunch of guys in panties ruining all the illusions the surfer is trying so hard to create for herself.

Bill, I'm with you, the "right" content just doesn't exist. Though, by the way, I'm working on getting more of it on my site

Problem 2: CDs looking for information about crossdressing are not searching for porn. You have to work double hard to switch someone from thinking about how to improve their look to thinking about porn, and then convince them to buy. As Monica mentioned, you might want to offer some other niches. I would try going way far away from the category and see where the clicks go - you might actually have some luck with solo girls, pantyhose, etc as those all target various characteristics that many CDs hav/want. Remember, porn is a fantasy. Lingerie/clothing as you mention is a great area to explore too.

If you can sell unrelated porn, then your CD sponsors just aren't cutting it (they're not offering the right fantasy). If you can't sell either, you need to work harder to get your surfers in the mood for sex

[Cozy Monica]

What about a FemDom site that's more about the bondage and dominance, like Captive Male:
http://www.captivemale.com/femdom?s=...0837&t=0&c=332

[sunfunbill]

Hey Katie-ann, glad you understand what I mean. It's hard to figure out the CD crowd, sometimes I think I'd have better luck just putting up a standard teen blog!

Monica, yes I have several femdom sites I push, including men in pain from kink, very good site. I also have babes balling boys and stuff like that. Girls in pantyhose, shemales fucking men, all kinds of different sites.

However none that really have hot babes in it, as far as a more straight site. So I'll offer a few select ones of those and see what happens. I may just need more time to get more traffic, I understand I still have fairly new sites.

[EDS]

Hey Bill,

My best source of converting traffic has been google...yes it can be a fickle beast, but if you work hard on getting google traffic, you will have targetted visitors at your site.

Check your analytics...are people staying for a few minutes or more? If they are staying long enough to read a few posts and such, it means your getting traffic that is interested in what you have to say, but perhaps as mentioned above, if they are not converting, it means your not selling them the right thing. Explore new sponsors and try out different niches...applying the fantasies that they want to enact, such as pantyhose as was mentioned.

The ever elusive google traffic isn't as hard as I originally thought it would be to get. On page SEO is important, but what I've found to be more important is off page SEO...linkbuilding.

If you have thousands of links pointing at you with the anchor text "Crossdresser Information" (just as an example) chances are you'll rank pretty good for that term. At least from personal experience I've found that on-page SEO compliments offpage SEO, meaning if all your links say crossdresser, make sure that keyword and your content also has to do with crossdressing.

I've seen the proof in the pudding...my main blog has ranked 1st page and in a number of cases 1st listing for bdsm stories, bdsm videos, bdsm blog, and until yesterday was ranking on 1st page for "bdsm", now for some reason is on 2nd page, but I haven't spent as much time on it as I did previously, so that might be it - your competitors are always working as well, and your rankings are never guaranteed with the popular terms. I firmly believe this has a lot to do with how many inbound links I've built up to the blog...the more links I and my linkbuilder build I steadily see my rankings and therefore traffic go up.

Relevant links are imporant, but no link is useless. Don't limit yourself to only trading with crossdresing sites. Even better are links within content, meaning a link in a blog post is argued to be more valuable than a link in a sidebar...again it's as far as I've been told and seen - but it makes sense. Try exchanging blog posts with other webmasters.

As a shameless plug, yes - LinkBIGGER.com does help you do a lot of these things...it's still relatively small but sites are coming in everyday, along with a plethora of new features. If you haven't added your sites already, you may want to think about it - Like I mentioned its still small, and within your niche is pretty limited - but it's growing...so...uh...tell your friends! And don't be shy to hit me up - we can hop on ICQ or even the phone and I'd be happy to spend as long as you need to help you get setup.

I'm not an SEO guru...I just know what has worked for me. I have seen a direct correlation between my linkbuilding efforts and my google traffic (not to mention all the traffic that all those links combined pull in).

if you need to, create a few blogger blogs, and use those to A>B>C trade with people. It's a slow and tedious task, that doesn't become fruitful for quite a while...but when google shuffled and I nailed 1st page of bdsm, I saw an almost instant increase in traffic and sales.

[sojproductions]

Bill, I have been contemplating what you are after for a while now since you first mentioned it elsewhere, I even had a meeting about this very idea last week!

We are working on a site, don't know how far off it is, months not weeks unfortunately, but i think it will be in the right area, it will be an evolved nylonjane.com but with many more women, and much more of the make-up and fun/forceful side of 'beginner' crossdressers before getting down and dirty! I hadn't intended any male - male, mainly girl/s on guy/s

Got hundreds of guys lined up! its the girls we are struggling a bit with right now!

Does that sound a bit more like what you are after?

Antony

[sunfunbill]

Hi there! Yes, what you say your working on sounds good so far. The thing to keep in mind when doing a site like that is to remember that the CD's want to see a man dressed up in all the girlie clothes, with full makeup, wig and SHAVED!!!!

Every CD site I see had guys that have beards or chest hair sticking out. Most CD's take what they do very seriously, which includes shaving their whole body.

Seeing a guy in a bit of bad makeup with a 2 o clock shadow and a hairy ass turns them right off. They want to see what they would be doing in their fantasy, all shaved and pretty, feeling feminine. Chest hair is NOT feminine.

They use silicone stick on boobs, ALWAYS have high heels or sexy boots on, stockings or pantyhose, corsets or dresses, some naughty costumes like schoolgirl or maid.

Heck just think of it this way. Dress them just the way you would dress a hot female babe, see how they always keep on their high heels, stockings and all? Do it that way. The more undressed the guy gets, the more the illusion of it being a girl fades. Strike a balance with the sex part so you can see what you want, but keep the chest part and all that looking like it has tits and frilly and all that.

I understand it's very hard to find guys who want to do this in front of a camera. I assume that's the hard part.
Not many want to shave all their body and learn how to really look pretty.

Tell you what, send me 10,000 bucks and I'll make 12 hours of perfect sissy boy videos with my lesbian girls and you can take it from there!!!

[Chang]

Originally posted by sunfunbill
[b]...my biggest yet at 112 bucks. But like my last one, it's from a dating site. I still have not made enough on any paysite to get a check yet...

And so your site just happens to have turned out to be better at converting dating sponsors. Work on making what it's naturally good at, even better.

I don't see how anyone can make even one sale on a splog.

Probably not making anything off of the galleries, but maybe there's money to be had in converting dating sponsors?

I've alluded to this before and I'm not going to spell it out, but when it comes to making money from sponsors, there's more than one way to skin a cat.

[mynameisjim]

Guys that sign up for CD based sites are not CDs, but they like them. There are many guys that prefer CDs over shemales. Some guys like the more passable ones while some guys prefer the very un-passable look.

Just check out craigslist. Am I the only one who reads up on niches before I sell it.

But I agree, there are not many sites aimed at CDs themselves, which is what Bilinda was getting at.

[KatieAnn]

Originally posted by mynameisjim
Guys that sign up for CD based sites are not CDs, but they like them.

You're right, there are a lot of non-CDs that join CD sites . . . But based on my experience with members and potential members that contact me, the split is about 50/50. Which means there are in fact a lot of CDs buying CD porn.

I would also bet that most CDs (who would bother reading a CD blog with information about dressing and trying to be passable) are not interested in non-passable CD porn. No proof here, but just my assessment.

Perhaps a blog that targets admirers (with information on where to find CDs and how to treat them ) would be worth a try though Bilinda?

[sunfunbill]

I have to admit I forgot about those damn crossdresser admirers, even though those are the ones that always bother me on places like urnotalone.

I guess those are the ones that join sites like CD fun and Katie, at least some. There is a site that has CD men and their wife's playing around with each other, men and women. The person who runs it says it does well, I'll be pushing it soon.

A site like that would be almost 100% CD's joining. Having said all that it seems like shemales and ladyboys seem to convert better than CD sites. I had been told CD sites were the next best thing, but I don't see it.

I think in the near future I'm going to start a plain old female site and see if that is so much worst. Sure can't hurt if your already making nothing! I can see dating sites work well on those too.

[balls_deep]

Originally posted by sunfunbill
I can see dating sites work well on those too.

Dating works with just about everything.

[crockett]

Can't help you on the conversions part other than add as many direct links to tours as you can.

Try to push one or two sponsors at a time, that's the biggest mistake I think most people make is trying to push too many programs. When you can get a single sponsor up to a few hundrend a month (or so you are getting steady checks) then add new one.