Max Hardcore GUILTY!!?

[balls_deep]

Max found guilty....

http://www.xbiz.com/news/94879

[phuckbunny]

Interesting.... I find Max Hardcore and his "work" repulsive. I think it contributes to the utter degradation of the whole erotic aspect of porn and it's all about humiliation and absolutely ridiculous shit. How anyone can find vomiting during a blowjob erotic is beyond me. Am I old school to think that porn is supposed to be fun and sexy? Damn. I know we're talking about laws but....

This is why I cannot be a full blown libertarian. I understand this does theoretically affect all of us, but maybe not. I like porn b/c in my vision of it, and what I like to promote and maybe even eventually shoot, it's fun, sexy and it's not degrading or sinister.

Many of you will disagree with me, but I think the more we sideline this gonzo shit the more healthier the entire biz will be, and that includes speaking from a business perspective - I brought this up on an old thread months ago.

Now to think about it in a sober fashion then we have to define "obscene" and that is up to not us porn meisters but others, so that is indeed a problem...

[balls_deep]

There is no reason max's content should be considered obscene. Its two consenting adults.

Are you sure you belong in this business PB?

If max is obscene then where does it stop?

[phuckbunny]

You have to define "obscene" first of all, but that's left to the court system and that's what I was talking about.

Where does it stop is not a good analogy. Max might be where it STARTS, then you keep on going and going until you end up with a mainstream version of 2 girls 1 cup. Then his crazy shenanigans which are NOT erotic colour the whole industry as something which is perverse, and I don't mean perverse in a good way.

Come on, BD, from what I've seen the only stuff that's lacking in the Max videos is shit eating. Do you think that my repulsion for that makes me unfit for the biz?

Of course it's consenting, but so is John Thompson and so is
Alexia Cage and I find that shit revolting, if you think that makes me a prude or unfit for the biz, you're out of your mind.

And you have to define consenting. Of course crackhead whores who eat shit are consenting. I think Max Hardcores stuff is over the top, not erotic, boring, nauseating and defeats the purpose of porn!

I like porn and I think a lot of the reason why our shit (recurring motif apparently no pun intended) is selling poorly is all this degrading stuff that's a load of crap\, which also contributes to the mentality that the surfer shouldn't pay for porn b/c it's gross. Whatever happened to porn that was GOOD?

[phuckbunny]

Unless of course you like the feeling of stomach acid seeping into your urethra, and seeing it recreated on video, in which case I take back everything I say.

[balls_deep]

Originally posted by phuckbunny
You have to define "obscene" first of all, but that's left to the court system and that's what I was talking about.

I am against censorship in any form.

Originally posted by phuckbunny
And you have to define consenting. Of course crackhead whores who eat shit are consenting. I think Max Hardcores stuff is over the top, not erotic, boring, nauseating and defeats the purpose of porn!

That is your view of it. Obviously there are quite a few people who love that kind of porn. Just because you don't like it does not mean it should be censored or considered obscene.

[phuckbunny]

Well since I've got my US passport maybe we'll both end up voting for Bob Barr then, but I'm also of the opinion that complete and total freedom sometimes backfires - precisely in cases like this.

And mind what I said - that is, if these are the kinds of porn cases that go up against a court and that is what makes news - it makes the whole industry look bad, no matter if this is a minority and there are fetishists who are into it, see what I'm saying?

I mean, how would you feel if Max Hardcore was Amish?

[mynameisjim]

I'm all for free speech but I'm also a realist. You can't make movies like that for years and years in any 1st world country and not expect to face some legal action eventually.

I saw a clip of his on a tube site where he's abusing one girl and telling her to keep quite or he's going to rape her 13 year old sister in the next room. I wouldn't even make a joking comment like that on a video where NO sex was taking place for fear of how it could be interpreted, let alone a porn movie.

The bottom line is there is no such thing as a free society. The only reason most people are free in American is because they are nobodies. As soon as you stand up and call attention to yourself for any reason you're asking for trouble. It's not right, but it's the truth and it will always be the truth. Freedom is a fantasy enjoyed by the invisible. Once you become a threat or an irritation to the powers that be, your freedom goes out the window.

[pyratas]

He faces 50 years or more.

Enough said.


I think he's a work of shit personally, but why does he face more time then the average murderer? (~18 years if not pre-meditated)

I saw a clip of his on a tube site where he's abusing one girl and telling her to keep quite or he's going to rape her 13 year old sister in the next room.

Again, I despise the guy, but 50 years?

It's all porn with consenting adults. He has a reputation of treating his models like shit, and I despise him for that. Model's know about him, the industry does, WE DO! He should have fallen off the planet by now with how horrific he is........THAT should be the fair punishment -- An asshole losing his empire.

But this verdict is fucking out of control.

I gotta agree with Balls on this one. I don't like what the man does, but this is a pretty horrific blow to the first amendment.

He will possibly die in prison for doing something that I consider legal (California/Florida/Oregon/elsewhere) yet tasteless (universal).

Shit, think about it....John Waters never got prison time!

[porn punk]

The republican administration is going to try and attack as much free speech as they can before Bush leaves in case Norbit gets elected.

Since the democratic congress can't find a pair of balls between all of them there is no way they are going to oppose an issue targeting a guy like this or anything with the false whisper of child protection in it no matter how ridiculous it may be.

This could be their last hooray for a while so be expecting more shit wrecks like this as Bush becomes a lame duck

[Hammer]

This has been discussed on other boards for a few days now and I'm all discussed out on the topic so I'll leave this thread to the rest of you but wanted to point out two things.

First, he only faces 50 years because he was found guilty on all 10 counts. If a murderer is found guilty of murdering 10 people they sure as hell aren't going to only face 18 years. LOL

Second, Balls, sorry but I think there are plenty of us that have a right to be in this business that don't support the kind of content Max produces. Are you sure you are actually aware of what he does? He doesn't just piss on chicks. He abuses them to the point that they vomit and beg him to stop but he doesn't stop. Then later he somehow gets them to say on tape that they didn't mind. Bullshit. Just because he claims they were a consenting adult doesn't make it so. People will do some pretty amazing things when they're desperate for money but once they realize they've gotten in over their head and beg you to stop, you stop. Period.

He also talks about fucking children in some of his videos to the women while he's abusing them. Sure it's for shock value but any moron that includes even the discussion of CP in his porn videos deserves to get smacked down.

What Max does puts all of us in a bad light and he's the reason we struggle daily against the perceptions that the public has of us.

Here ends my participation in this thread. I've stated my POV and have no interest in trying to change anyone's mind but questioning whether someone belongs in this business because they think there should be limits to what is reasonable was over the line.

[Lana]

Exactly my point ages ago.
http://www.cozycampus.com/theforum/s...t=max+hardcore

[porn punk]

In continuing my ball busting ways. I think if people are being REALLY physically tortured or any REAL children are involved there should already be enough laws on the books to take care of the prick! Censorship is about attacking free speech and if you want to live in a free society, you're going to have to deal with some horrendous offensive shit. Otherwise don't cry when (or tell your kid's kids not to cry at least), we have an economic or some other dark ages and the government starts pulling all these little tacked on laws out of their ass to control the masses.

I know I sound like a consipiracy fucking freak, but why do you need 2257's and protection on your computer when it's already illegal to even go near anyone under 18? Isn't the fact that you got near them in the first place enough. There's no denying video evidence if it can be tracked.

Doug Stanhope does a real good stand up routine. I know it's comedy but he says how he never ever saw any child porn on the internent (nor have I for that matter (and I don't want to) and I'm all over the place - BUT I'M NOT SAYING IT DOESN'T EXIST AND KIDS SHOULDN'T BE PROTECTED). I think the FBI claims there's never been any evidence of a snuff film - another fabrication if true. He also brings up in his routine the question of why the internet has suddenly become this darth vader type of empire for child molesters and questions why parents aren't teaching their kids not to talk to strangers. He makes a good point how isn't it better to have potential child molsters who haven't acted out yet (if ever) on the internet instead of around your school.

Now, I hate to talk this way, and not because we're in the middle of a witch hunt and someone might point the finger at me, but because I'd hate to think of what one kid might be going through while I'm talking like this (but they are probably going through it with a family member and not from someone on the internet)

Personally I'm complete paranoid fear of suppression of truth and free expression and all that other happy shit because politicians can't get their shit together and actually help society in beneficial ways. They are the ones on welfare while trying to cut it for single mothers.

and that's all I have to say about that...

[porn punk]

Originally posted by Lana
Exactly my point ages ago.
http://www.cozycampus.com/theforum/s...t=max+hardcore

First they'll lock him up, then guys like him. Then they'll lock up all those dirty nasty girls who take it up the ass! Then after they get them all rounded up, they'll come after you dirty nasty filthy lingerie models cause you show way way too much flesh and make them have erections, and you can't worship God and have an erection at the same time

[sunfunbill]

This is the sticky situation the NRA is in. People think they are kooks because they don't want any ban on any type of firearm, period.

Why? Not because they really think you all need an assault rifle, or that everyone should own a cannon. It's all because they think that if they let one thing get banned, all the other firearms will follow.

But that makes them look unreasonable and weapon crazy. I use to hunt all the time, and I support every persons right to have guns. But NOBODY needs a Uzi or an assault rifle, and I think they should be banned.

So by saying this sicko should be supported because if we don't the rest of porn will follow, makes us all seem like sick bastards that no one will ever understand.

[porn punk]

Originally posted by sunfunbill
This is the sticky situation the NRA is in. People think they are kooks because they don't want any ban on any type of firearm, period.

Why? Not because they really think you all need an assault rifle, or that everyone should own a cannon. It's all because they think that if they let one thing get banned, all the other firearms will follow.

But that makes them look unreasonable and weapon crazy. I use to hunt all the time, and I support every persons right to have guns. But NOBODY needs a Uzi or an assault rifle, and I think they should be banned.

So by saying this sicko should be supported because if we don't the rest of porn will follow, makes us all seem like sick bastards that no one will ever understand.

I almost forgot about you hideous vile dangrous crossdressers. God forbid you ever give me an erection. That's what we created lethal injection for

[phuckbunny]

PP you sound like you've been drinking or maybe it's b/c I'm guzzling some dry Spanish rosado right now.

I'm with Bill re the NRA. I am all for gun ownership but there is absolutely no reason to own an Uzi. Not that legislation helps. SA has some of the most strict gun laws in the world but go to Johannesburg CBD and you can buy an AK-47 on the street for a hell of a lot less than a basic rifle or shotgun you buy here in Walmart.

But back to the subject at hand, Hammer, no offence but you seemed to have defended Max in that very same thread that Lana posted, so why the change of heart?

Bill is right. I think it is presumptuous to be so paranoid as to think Max's situation will affect the adult industry in terms of censorship and prosecution - on the contrary, apart from my revulsion from MH's "work" my point was that it will and does affect us by making us all look like scary evil scumbag people. That's why. And that attitude among the general porn buying public, IMO, will reinforce an idea that no one should pay for porn to support scary evil scumbag people like us. So my interest in this thread is not so much 'morality' based as how it affects us monetarily.

Anyway, he's not going to get 50 years. He can afford a lawyer, even if he lives in Altadena as opposed to Joe Francis' Bel Air hood.

[balls_deep]

Except for Porn Punk, you are all Communist

[phuckbunny]

Oh bollocks it off, Balls, hahaha Funny, though.

I left my country when it knew it was going to turn crypto-communist.

OK, nevermind, I'm communist.


see?

[phuckbunny]

We may be communist but at least we're not Amish