outfor$$$ 1st thread

[out4$$$]

I apologize for posting on Fetishlogs thread. I came in this forum hot-headed and made comments that were out of line.
Not a very good first impression. I should remember that from businesses Ive run in my life.
Whenever I went off on someone, right or wrong, they would walk on the other side of the street from my store front. Not only them but also their friends and friends friends.
Yesterday I took off the rest of the day and kicked back. I am burnt out, impatient, and struggling to do the best I can to enhance my impoverished lifestyle.
I need all the critique and help I can get. Because I dont have the right investment money for optimization and professional design, I am building from a very basic formula.
I am sure many of the newbies trying to break the line of poverty are also walking in my shoes.
Ledark, I apologize for my obtuse comments. I realize all you pro's have had a beginning before success came your way. Im a green horn in promoting adult industry.
By using a surf program http://www.adultwebsitehits.com I found by rotating 10 URLs from my website gave me insight when looking at my site stats on the host.
I saw what countries, languages and duration of visit were represented from a clickbroker + provider. Most traffic is foreign and unacceptable to the programs I promote. It cost money wasted.
The surf site is a 10 second auto surf, but I pause it often to look at the content and record good site URLs in special pages for traffic and affiliate programs for future reference.
My site stats showed me that the pay per click programs exited more often, most under 2 seconds, indicating a no view, and possibly click-bots.
Even with purchase of all US/Canada traffic most hits came from foriegn countries most adult content providers do not accept as traffic. This is frustrating but a hard earned lesson.
Presently I am learning HTML, metatags and keywords, so when I sell the thousands of $ in antiques from a long term business, I can invest in real search engine placement.
Its been a hard road from the business I traditionally did in better days, but I am determined and realize this business is no turn key operation but long hours of work to learn the ropes.
Whoever I offended, I apologize, for insults, posting someone elses forum, etc...
I really want to get along here. I need peers with positive solutions. Im not the expert, though I had to convince myself to keep on trying and believe in my efforts.
Thank you everyone. This site was refferred to me by a top adult icon in the industry. I am privileged to have this opportunity.
Prosperity to all who are there and those who are in a struggle now.
Brian

[sunfunbill]

Well nice to see you back, let's all try to get along. From what you say you've made several classic newbie mistakes.

1. NEVER buy traffic starting out. As you have seen it is a waste of money cause you don't understand how to use it. Even pros most often don't buy traffic. So, don't buy any more traffic.

2. You said in your other post you had started that people stay a long time, at least some, on your site. Actually that's not really what you want. Your trying to make money by having them click on the links and go to the sponsor and sign up.

Unless you have a paysite, in which case you still don't want to give them too much.

3. Put your url of your site here so we can visit it and see what you need to do. I just glanced at it on your other post, but it seemed to need some work, perhaps the whole design, but I will let others here chime in on that.

4. There is a great learning section on this site with lots of helpful tips. Go there and start reading up, you will be surprised at what you learn. Go here:
http://www.cozyacademy.com/

That's it for now. I warn you, people will try to help, but they will not baby anyone. I was smacked around good when I first started, but now I understand why. No one does you any favors by being nice and not saying what you really need to hear. These guys/ gals know what they are doing, trust me!

[out4$$$]

Thanks for your reply. I have been to the forum academy and started reading the lessons. Also I removed the enter link and moved adult index to my index page with a short agreement that those who click on site pages are 18 years or older and choose to view sexually explicit materials.
About overkill...yes I offer too much content from same sites with different content galleries and movie clips. I believe by doing that I have given out too many freebies and that has hurt sign ups.
Its going too take a lot of work to narrow it down to one image per niche website. Besides, the pages are too long in many instances and it is a pain and waste of my webhost discspace.
Also I am changing the link on header to index where I moved the adult index links to index page one from all niche pages.
You have been helpful and I behaved as a child throwing a tantrum.
Im not a producer of original adult content, only an affiliate to websites. I saw no point in trying to find models who will show nothing new than what is available.
If I narrow down the page pics and leave the left navigation links to specific links, perhaps that will open new horizons for sign-ups.
I had a gut feeling I was giving away too much for free and was told in a standard intro by one of the top sites not to do that.
Now I know why.
As far as design, not to be defensive, I think basic approach is fine, but you are right about too many free links to same sites by offering all picture and movie clips available.
Too much enthusism got the best of me to think more is better, rather to use a few teasers.
Also Some content on certain pages need to be re-entered on existing and new niche pages.
Thanks for your advice.
Brian

[out4$$$]

http://www.consentingadultpro.com/index.html

[out4$$$]

http://www.consentingadultpro.com/teen.html

I removed most of the picture and banners from the teen page listed above. It is one of the ten I rotate on free surf site. I will compare the time spent and conversions in my realtracker stats. Im a stat junkie to see what the trend is.
Also I changed the header to my standard one I use most pages and the background color. If anyone has further suggestions...the page is shorter with mostly text links to the sites, so I think people may click more on the links than ogle the pictures.
Brian

[Hammer]

Apology accepted.

The way the site looks, what niches you promote or what sponsors you use are not important if your site doesn't get any traffic and my question to you is how do you expect to get traffic to a site like consentingadultpro? It's not a true linklist or TGP so no one is going to submit sites to you or trade traffic with you. The site has little to no chance of getting organic SE traffic. And you sure don't want to spend money on advertising for a site like that. So...?

I have a suggestion. Scrap that site and start over with a blog format using Wordpress. Do some research on SEO plugins and the proper way to set up your permalink structure so you have shot at SE traffic. But, whatever you do, if you do start a blog, please put some returns between your paragraphs so the damn thing is readable, unlike some of your posts.

[out4$$$]

Thanks Hammer...I will look into your suggestions. Still it is an issue of money now. I have $7 to my name from social security disability.

Im using adultsitetraffichits.com for auto surf and my realtime site stats show Ive had quite a few views, roughly 7000 visits in the last month. That doesnt include the thousands of page views.

As I said in the other post when I joined, my house is packed with antiques and collectibles and I listed my first item with ebay in over a year.

When I can get up some money I can hire some help to make my site right. I realize there are a lot of mistakes I am making.

I will also check out your site as I see you are a consultant. I don't know if I can afford your service or others at this time so I will have to just keep working on this project.

I am attending the academy as time permits, but I know I have to stop giving away all gallery pics from same sites and downsize the freebies to begin with.

Studying SEO I need to learn the ropes better and have learned I do need more tools for html and the such.

Im sick to death that my site has been under such scrutiny, but I realize all of you know things I dont.

Thanks Hammer
Brian

[Hammer]

Ah, much more readable.

Keep in mind that any 'free' site; TGP, linklist, fake TGP, TGP gallery, freesite, etc. might convert at 1:5000 and based on your traffic you could expect to see 1 or 2 signups a month. Believe me when I tell you that there are much better ways.

[out4$$$]

Thanks Hammer... I also have a list of conversion ratios I got from http://www.jays-xxx-links.com/webmasters.html and the average earnings are pretty pathetic with Pussy cash, AeBN and Adult Friendfinder paying .33, .21 and .17 per click respectively.

After that the rest of them reported are between .01 and .08 per click.

The conversion ratios are quite high accept the top 3 I named.

I also was in the academy boning up on some info and found zip.com who sells images to webmasters, but they are only illustrations.

How can illustrations make the difference when people want to see real people?

Are there sites that sell promo content for web pages featuring real models with licensing?

I also have to decide what kind of editors for html I am going to download. I saw a list of them the other day and browsed but am undecided as I am still studying html.

Thanks for your advice
Brian

[sunfunbill]

I understand where your coming from as far as money goes. I live with friends and live rent free as their housekeeper. I make extra money on the side by writing blog post for others.

What Hammer said about doing it in blog format would be perfect for you, and here's why. ALL you need is a domain name and a host, don't use the free site stuff. A domain name cost 8 bucks for a year. Hosting at ATCI, a very good company I and many others here use, can be had for 10 bucks a month.

So, for 18 bucks to start you can have your own domain and hosting. They have one click install for word press, which I highly recommend using. It has it's own editor, picture uploader, everything you need to make great pages. Word press is free!

You could be on your way to a great site in just a month or two. You just have to learn the whole blogging angle. Check out my mainstream one here and see how it works:
Bilinda's blog

Then check out other adult blogs to see how they lay out everything. You don't need to pay anyone anything, you just need to spend time learning.

[Ledrak]

Originally posted by Hammer
Apology accepted.

I have a suggestion. Scrap that site and start over with a blog format using Wordpress.

Now outfor$$$-

When I first suggested that you scrap your site and start over, you replied with a small novel basically saying "how dare you (Ledrak) suggest such a thing". Well, now that you're willing to listen to suggestions... perhaps you'll get what I'm going to tell you next.

One point I was trying to make was that you don't have to pay someone thousands of dollars to design stuff for you. If you want to take the time to learn, you'd be surprised what you can accomplish on your own; especially with some of the design software out today. If 10 year old kids can design their own websites, then so can you.

[Hammer]

Originally posted by out4$$$
Thanks Hammer... I also have a list of conversion ratios I got from http://www.jays-xxx-links.com/webmasters.html and the average earnings are pretty pathetic with Pussy cash, AeBN and Adult Friendfinder paying .33, .21 and .17 per click respectively.

The link doesn't work for me but those numbers are bogus as hell. In order to make $.33 a click from a sponsor that pays $35 per signup you'd have to be converting at 1:100. There may be a few sponsors out there that convert that good but the average is more like 1:300 to 1:500. But, that is still misleading because that is only the conversion rate at the sponsor, not at the site you get the traffic to in the first place.

Like I said, a typical 'free' site is going to convert at 1:5000 on average. Assuming that you had a sponsor that converted at 1:300 and assuming you were able to send that sponsor 10% of the surfers that landed on your free site, out of your 7,000 monthly hits you'd achieve 2 signups a month.

BTW, my above example is pie in the sky anyway because the chances of sending 10% of your traffic from a 'free' site to a sponsor are slim and 2% would be more like it.

I'm not trying to discourage you but you're wasting your time with that site.

[out4$$$]

Bilinda...I own my own domain for life. It came with my webhost. I pay 19.99/month and that includes a site builder, real tracker, over 15,000MB bandwith reset every month and 100 MB disc space I have used 47MB of with all those files.

How much does your webhost provide?

I looked at your blog, promote some of the same content you do, but I dont understand all the text stories and huge pictures. How does that make you money?

Just wondering? Is it all in one niche that makes it happen? Is it all in blog posts? Does that keep your clients coming back?

I have a million questions and dont expect to digest all the information coming to me at once.

I host with homestead.com and for the most part their sitebuilder is tops. Also as I said I dont have to nenew my domain every year and am listed with WhoIs.

I can add html for banners in an html box by resizing it to the content it will represent by copy and paste.

There is a blog editor on my site builder but I need to learn to do that.

Then I suppose I put banners and text off to the sides?

Thanks for your advice.

Lots for me to learn

I wont give up. Newbie I am, but that wont last forever. As to Hammers suggestion to scrapping the entire site, I will keep it until I can learn the better form of promotion and transfer pertinent materials I have aquired as an affiliate for many providers.

Thanks again
Brian

[sunfunbill]

I would never get an all in one package, I keep my domain name and web host separate. If you try to leave your host it's too much hassle as they also have your name.

For $9.95 per month with ATCI you get 30GB, not MB but GB, way more than you say you have, and 2,000 MB disk space.
Your paying too much.

As to your question on the blog, it's hard to answer if you don't understand the whole blog setup. Each post is a article or story you want the surfer to read.

If it was a adult blog those big pictures would be pictures from a FHG or movie from your sponser, you give a brief description of the gallery, hopefully they click it and watch the gallery/movie, then they sign up, if your lucky.

The stuff in the sidebars are more things you hope they see and maybe join or buy. I'm working on a huge adult site right now that will be my first ever adult site.

Type in porn blog or something like that to see an adult one in action. Blogs are the newest "best" thing going right now.

[out4$$$]

Hammer...you are correct. It mwas only mthose 3 sites that were reported as high conversion. The surf program I use is also used by adultfriendfinder who rotates versions of its promos. So being as big as they are I must be in a good surf.

Of course they are as old as the hills. Everyone is saying to scrap my site but still I want to hang on to the promo material it took 7 months to locate until I learn more.

Ledark, thank you, it seems so far I am hearing a lot about blogs and software. I really did not understand my site was so much crap? It seemed feasible, but if you guys are all rolling in dough, then my big mouth will shut up and my ears listen.

Ive seen a lot of crappy sites researching. I did not figure my content was so unproductive. But there are no checks in the mailbox so slap me up.

I'm sick today. Its come as a big let-down with all my hard work 7 days/week average. Ive only advertised for a month and did not expect overnight results.

Still with all the negative feedback from 4 people, I hope others will give me there comments.

It is obvious so far you are all the main commentators Ive met so far. So perhaps all of you are billionaires.

It takes money to make money. That includes software, webhosting, etc.

I am overwhelmed at the failure my site has been.

Thanks everyone for advice.
Brian

[mynameisjim]

Well, I don't know how many billionaires are on this board, but I would assume none.

As far as taking money to make money, that's true to jump to the next level, but at the onset you can start on a shoestring budget. Just roll all your sales back into your efforts. So if you your first check is for $300, use it to buy some software you need, or to pay a designer to do something you can't do. Keep with a plan and keep doing that and within a year you'll be doing pretty good. However, don't spend blindly, make sure you have a gameplan and research what you want to do then execute.

You don't have to scrap the site, you can keep it up, just start something else. As was mentioned, starting a good handwritten blog has way more upside than your current site. Once you learn what sells and how to get traffic, you can look back at your current site and decide whether you want to fix it or not.

[nolimits4]

site not bad

but your domain name stinks

you need something that surfers can remember

[odysseus]

Originally posted by out4$$$
Thanks Hammer... I also have a list of conversion ratios I got from http://www.jays-xxx-links.com/webmasters.html and the average earnings are pretty pathetic with Pussy cash, AeBN and Adult Friendfinder paying .33, .21 and .17 per click respectively.

After that the rest of them reported are between .01 and .08 per click.

The conversion ratios are quite high accept the top 3 I named.

I also was in the academy boning up on some info and found zip.com who sells images to webmasters, but they are only illustrations.

How can illustrations make the difference when people want to see real people?

Are there sites that sell promo content for web pages featuring real models with licensing?

I also have to decide what kind of editors for html I am going to download. I saw a list of them the other day and browsed but am undecided as I am still studying html.

Thanks for your advice
Brian

I wouldn't get too hung up on other peoples' numbers. My pussycash numbers don't look like that. Your traffic sources, and marketing techniques will be individual to you, and your results with different sponsors may vary from those of other people.

As for the illustrations, there are plenty of people who want to see them, and that niche is one of my best to promote. For someone else, it may be a waste of time. Again, individual results will vary.

There are plenty of sites that will sell you promo content licenses. Some of them are good, some are bad. Some are expensive, some are reasonable. Like anything else, do your research before making an investment. Do a search for content providers and I'm sure you'll have a bit of reading. Some I've used before are Ounique, WorldWideContent, Bargain Basement Content, Exclusive Content, and 5 Star Content. There are others, and like I said, search is your friend.

For HTML editors, Kompozer is free and open source. I use Coffee Cup HTML editor, and have been happy with it for years. Costs about 50 bucks if I remember, but has decent syntax highlighting. I've never used the wysiwig view, so I can't comment on that. Dreamweaver is the grand daddy and is pretty bad ass. I'm pretty sure you can get a free 30 day trial from the website.

All in all, however, the blog thing that has been mentioned has the best learning curve of any other promo method I've seen in this industry. I'd really consider following that advice.

Jim and Hammer have provided some good food for thought.

[Ledrak]

Originally posted by out4$$$

It takes money to make money. That includes software, webhosting, etc.

Where there’s a will, there’s a way. If you want to be successful in business, sometimes you have to do whatever it takes in order to get the ball rolling. If you don’t have hundreds of dollars to buy professional design software, buy something cheaper that will get the job done, or find a friend that has the software and get them to let you use theirs. If you can’t afford to pay someone to design for you, then you’d better start learning how to do it yourself.

You’ve got it easy; all you have to do is design your site and advertise for your sponsors. For my site I had to start up a production company to film the type of content I wanted, and I only had $10,000 to do that. Let me tell you, it was NOT possible for me to bankroll my production with $10,000. But we cut corners and did the best we could. And that’s just the beginning of my story. I'll save you the failures for another day.

The point I’m getting at is, not all of us are fortunate enough to start out with the money we need. You have to learn to work with the cards you’re dealt and turn them into a winning hand.

[out4$$$]

To all the new posts...thankyou. At least some of you like my design.

I will investigate the blog thing more thouroughly as it seems to come up. However it seems a lot of sponsors offering afiliate programs seem to defer from blogs.

One thing is certain, I am going to eliminate the overkill picture content on my pages, starting with the rotating ones on the auto surf. I have more hits from adultwebsitehits.com than any click broker provided.

I wonder about the commentators who spend all day posting on this forum. When do they find time to attend to their own sites?

I'm just studying this forum now, and I value all comments and have bookmarked suggested sites.

Still the advice has mixed reactions.

You are right about my site being alright except for over-kill on free content.

Advertising is expensive and my free surf site is used as I said by adultfrienfinder one of the adult industries icons.

Thats one good clue.

But to those I have never seen in years of surfing internet adult before embarking on my project, I never saw anyone in thousands of surfs that act as internet gurus.

You are right there are likely no big buck winners on this forum? It seems to be just a place for them to hang out and tell everyone else to go to hell. Just to post their website for free.

I'd love to know what search engine, listing and rank they have?

I havent been impressed by most I have seen so far.

Then again, Im a newbie, but that does not give them right to others to blast me when I never heard of them?

No I will not scrap...rather it is in redesign and that will take time and money to accomplish.

Thank all of you, the pros and the blowhards who offer advice. Some of it is critical, some of it is admonishing, some of it is wise and some of it is down-right foolish.

When I see anyone on a search engine anywhere, then I will know they are someone, not on page 10K.

Love ya all
Brian