Sometimes reading threads are so depressing,,,,

[sunfunbill]

I just may go to ventibate and rant about this, but no one there would understand what I am talking about. I belong to several boards, and my outlook on them all, including this one, is not to make a stink.

Meaning if I see a thread that I totally disagree with, I don't respond, I just ignore it. But, I see some of the boards I'm on, most of the people have this take on blogs:

"ok so how you blog is, you make a new one each day, two if you can find the time, fill it with FHG post, say around 30 or 50, throw it out there, forget about it and do that every day.

In about a year or so you should have hundreds and then maybe you can make a living off them, as long as you keep churning out more each day."


I mean, the general census on the whole board is that's what you do, that's how it's done. Not "wait, what if I make a good blog, with good post, maybe I could just do that and not make all these garbage sites?"

No, none seem to think that, It's like it has never occurred to them. Like Hammer said, they all see blogs as just TGP galleries.

Now I have to say, I actually write for some that do that, so I guess I'm not helping, and if you read this I'm not including you!

It just amazes me when a whole board thinks like that. Seems like using a bunker busting missile to drive your tent stakes down. All that energy and time you spend on those hundreds of blogs you can make MORE with one damn good blog. NO that's not just my opinion because we all know there are many many like that.

I suppose anyone can use any software or what not and do whatever they want with it. It's not like some rule or law. But the pure lack of any substance, meaning or effort seems like watching a guy throw his families happy meal garbage out the window while he's driving down the road.

[artwilliams]

As of today I am ranking about 214K in Alexa and I banked over $200 this week. Not a fortune but I am six months into my plan of doing a quality, part-time blog and it seems to be working out.

I figure everyone has their own path to follow. Some will figure it out while others will not.

Thanks for the post!

[RageCash-Ben]

Well actually bill it is true to a large extent.

There are two ways to look at blog building. You can go the hand written blog route or you can go the splogs route. I do well with both. Some people do well with hand written blogs and many do well with splogs.

I know what you mean tho many webmasters think all you have to do is press a button on a script and you are going to make thousands of blogs and earn heaps of cash. It definitely is not that easy any more.

[crockett]

If you made your living as a fishermen, would it not be smart to put as many lines into the water as you could?

When building in bulk you don't have to put blogs up and forget about them. If you work hard you can fairly easily update 30 blogs every 3 days. Just doing 10 posts per day, per group of 10 blogs. Using this method allows you to easily update 30 unique blogs.

Take that a step further and use Blogs Organizer make 30 to 50 posts on a blog then set it to resubmit the older posts every 60 to 90 days. You then have a auto updating blog that can run by itself with quality posts and is not really a splog.

You don't have to keep churning them out either to continue to make money.. Hell I have blogs on auto pilot using the method I posted above and I haven't made a new post on some in 8 months or more. Yet I still get sales and I'd say on average they each do between $75 to $150 a month. There are a few that do more but hell I can't complain being they update themselves.

I don't even sell hard links and I bet I could add some nice income doing that. Anyway at that amount multiplied by 50 to 100 it's easy to see how it can add up to be a very steady income that stays stable.

You can take it a bit further and use my up coming new service but I can't speak too much about that just yet..

I will say if you don't mind a reasonable fee, you will be able to run a hell of a lot of blogs that all auto update using my upcoming service.

btw the build and forget so to speak has been in adult since the beginning. Free Sites or AVS's were the old school .. It's a tried and tested method of building long term quality traffic. Blogs are just a more automated version of doing old school Free Sites.

[sunfunbill]

If you made your living as a fishermen, would it not be smart to put as many lines into the water as you could?

Not if all you have is an empty hook on the end of your line, while one guy with the best lure trolled his across all your hooks.

Of course you have a vested interest in people wanting to make lots of blogs, as your upcoming service you have mentioned on several post sounds like something that makes a lot of auto stuff for many blogs.

My point is, why not take all that time you put into all those many blogs and make one real good one? You say it does not take long to do those as you auto update.

Once you get one real good blog going and rolling you only need to spend an hour a day on it, that's it! Sounds good to me.

[crockett]

Originally posted by sunfunbill
Not if all you have is an empty hook on the end of your line, while one guy with the best lure trolled his across all your hooks.

Of course you have a vested interest in people wanting to make lots of blogs, as your upcoming service you have mentioned on several post sounds like something that makes a lot of auto stuff for many blogs.

My point is, why not take all that time you put into all those many blogs and make one real good one? You say it does not take long to do those as you auto update.

Once you get one real good blog going and rolling you only need to spend an hour a day on it, that's it! Sounds good to me.

Why? Because my hooks aren't empty.. What I do works and gives me stability that runing one or two sites can't ever give.

I've been in this biz a few years, the bulk of it was spent building TGPs. I was hardheaded and wanted a quality traffic and a quality site. I built and still own a decant sized no skim teen TGP.

I had consistent top 1 - 3 results on both Yahoo and Google for a few very good keywords.. Talking 5 million plus result keywords. That one site brought in 10 to 15k a day in SE traffic (not counting typical traded traffic).

Then one day a few years ago Yahoo up and stopped using Google's listings.. (yes Yahoo used to use Google's listings) Yahoo's system fucked up to put it lightly and listed my serp result but the link went to someone else's site. My site was banned because of their mistake and 3 years later I still can't get back in the top 50 for the same keywords on Yahoo.

I lost about 5 to 6k in SE traffic in one day, I have yet to regain on that site. Then this last year google updates hit me hard and I lost more traffic, again I have yet to regain it. None of this was because I did anything wrong or black hat. I was on the up and up as you can get.

That taught me to never put all my eggs in one basket. To put it bluntly if you put all your eggs in one basket in this industry you are walking a very foolish line.

The safest and surest thing you can do in this industry, is to build in bulk then use the bulk to build a quality site or two.

[sunfunbill]

Damn crockett, that's a bummer, sorry to hear what happened. I can see why your bitter. However you basically just said that you would PREFER to just make a few good quality sites. You just don't feel safe about doing it that way anymore.

Most I see doing this bulk crapo stuff don't give a rats ass about quality, they just want to copy/paste and throw stuff out there. They really think that's how it should be done, and look at really good sites as something they never will get.

I just think a lot of people should spend more time learning how to make a good quality site. It takes longer, a lot longer, but I still think the result will be much better than mediocre work thrown out the window as they pass by.

[aardvark2]

I don't mind working hard but I make sure I work smart too. Doing hundreds of blogs or working hard on a single one is not my preferred approach.

At this time on the web, I think it's more productive to leverage the visitors by letting them provide the content. Give them an attractive site, a good theme and you will progressively see the results.

[Hammer]

You're comparing apples to oranges, Bill. Splogs are not blogs in any stretch of the imagination. Webmasters call them blogs because they haven't come up with a better word for them and they use blogging software to build them.

As for boards where all they talk about are splogs, I suspect one of them is a board that I won't set foot on anymore and until blogs came around, the only thing anyone there ever recommended was TGP galleries. Why would they recommend TGPs and now blogs? Because the board is owned by an AFFILIATE PROGRAM. Think about it Bill, if you had a big affiliate program, what would you recommend? Something that most people can't do because it takes some talent, patience and time, or something that any chimp can do and if enough chimps build enough of them, it will get your free content and free hosted galleries looked at by a lot more people?

Another thing to remember is that on most of the non business centric boards, unlike Cozy and YNOT, the majority of the posters are sheep. They want to fit in with the rest of the sheep and they all want everyone to think they're a player. So, they work on big post counts and they parrot the same bullshit the rest of the sheep that are all kissing the board owner's and admins' asses say. They brag about non existent mansions and cars and photoshop fake stats and the rest of the sheep think they're rich and know what they're talking about when in reality, they live in their mom's basement and ride a fucking bicycle to their job at McDonalds.

[mynameisjim]

Most "real" blogs are of no more value than splogs. Most blogs are just recycled news without any new insight or idea. They just take what everybody else is talking about and say "me too". Or is that what blogging is? I don't know since I never read blogs, except for the blogs that break news since then I'm actually getting something of value. But hey, that's just me and if I worked in an office I'm sure I would read blogs to kill time.

There are other sites to build other than blogs by the way, people.

IMHO, if you are going to build a "real" site, don't bother with adult. There are many more ways to monetize in mainstream plus you have about a million more subjects you can cover. Monetizing an adult site leaves you with so few options that you will automatically start creeping towards the splog/spam spectrum whether you like it or not.

[crockett]

Originally posted by mynameisjim
Most "real" blogs are of no more value than splogs. Most blogs are just recycled news without any new insight or idea. They just take what everybody else is talking about and say "me too". Or is that what blogging is? I don't know since I never read blogs, except for the blogs that break news since then I'm actually getting something of value. But hey, that's just me and if I worked in an office I'm sure I would read blogs to kill time.

There are other sites to build other than blogs by the way, people.

IMHO, if you are going to build a "real" site, don't bother with adult. There are many more ways to monetize in mainstream plus you have about a million more subjects you can cover. Monetizing an adult site leaves you with so few options that you will automatically start creeping towards the splog/spam spectrum whether you like it or not.

IMO the reason people build blogs in adult is because it's very easy and they can get everything they need for free. However you can also look at them as the replacement to free sites.

While there aren't the link lists to submit too, there are tons of blog directories. So you don't get the same instant rush of traffic with a blog that got with free sites, you do however still get the SE traffic.

[odysseus]

Bill, I hope you don't take this the wrong way, but here's what I think.

I think you've spent a lot of time on the board talking about how other people are blogging in a manner that you don't feel is correct, when you could be spending that time making this type of quality blog you keep talking about.

I'm not trying to get into which one is better here, all I am trying to do is encourage you to go get your piece of the pie instead of worrying about what fork others are eating their piece with. Go make some cash, my friend!

As a control freak, I know how it feels to see someone doing something in a way that you think is not the best. But honestly, I think you'll find that feeling disappears rather quickly on your way to the bank.

[balls_deep]

Originally posted by crockett
While there aren't the link lists to submit too, there are tons of blog directories. So you don't get the same instant rush of traffic with a blog that got with free sites, you do however still get the SE traffic.

I'm doing quite well with freesites, I think many webmasters are straying away from them which is great for me.

Blog directory traffic sucks. even when i was splogging i only got a few signups out of 20+ sites. You should use the directories for PR.

[sunfunbill]

Hey there odysseus! No I never get offended by anything someones says that's the truth. Like I said in my opening post, I'm the type that normally sits on the sidelines when a heated discussion comes up. Live and let live, ya know?

I guess this is just a pet thing of mine, something I just have a hard time keeping quite about. Unfortunately it also seems like the thing most here and on all boards do.

I see a few agree with me, but most believe in the old throw the shit on the fan and let it hit as many places as you can. I don't hold hard feelings toward all the ones that splog, I just get that feeling like when you see two muddy kids running through the living room on the white shag carpet!

I'll be the first to admit that I'm the LAST one to talk about how to make money, seeing how I don't have a dime. But even a bum can see when shit looks like shit.

Having said that I suppose if it gets my pretty pink thong in a bind I can always take my sites and go elsewhere, so I'll try to make this my last sound off on the subject. After all, that's what Ventibate is for!!

No hard feelings, I'm sure you'll all make more than me doing it your way. But I'm going to do this one thing my way, or not at all.

[balls_deep]

bill, you learned this long ago...

It's quality not quantity

I don't see the point in pointing out that there are massive newbies out there splogging their brains out.

Who cares?

[odysseus]

Originally posted by sunfunbill
No hard feelings, I'm sure you'll all make more than me doing it your way. But I'm going to do this one thing my way, or not at all.

Well, it's not about how much money any of us are making (hell, I still have my day job). It's been pointed out to you by many people smarter than me that your plan is solid. You just need to work it, that's all. I honestly believe that you could be making the best damn tranny blogs out there.

BTW, I didn't want to give the impression that you should STOP voicing your opinion. Hell, your posts have given me pause for thought on occasion. Just want to offer some encouragement in my own twisted little way.

[Cozy Monica]

I see two sides to this.

Bill, I'm with you in that it feels rather frustrating to be running a high quality site, struggling hard to bring in any cent it is or will make, and seeing other webmasters throwing up awful low quality sites by the thousands to lure away your hard earned surfers and their wallets.

I run a reviews site, and I started it in 2001, back when there were only two other review sites online that I could even find.

Now, every Joe and his dog has a reviews site. There are huge sites that have massive staffs of people churning out reviews so they can post ten per day. There are webmasters who spit out low quality review site after low quality review site, reusing the same poorly written bullshit reviews. There are sites that don't even visit the sites they claim to be reviewing.

So the garden is getting littered with more and more weeds. It's really frustrating.

However, to be honest, all of those sites are tools. They are a webmaster's tools in his business. They may be low quality sites, but if they are pulling the traffic, the clicks and the sales, then really, they are a success.

The webmaster with one thousand blogs set on auto-update is muddying the water so to speak, but he's making a living, just in a different fashion than you are.

Some people aren't good at writing and developing a quality product, but they are good at churning out product like an assembly line.

Anyway, I'm blabbing here. All I meant to say is, you are doing something very different from what those webmasters are doing so try hard not to let it get you mad. Just keep your head down and work hard and you will see the fruits of your labour, and like Hammer said, you won't care about those guys while you're on your way to the bank.

And one day, this whole splog thing will fall out of fashion. People used to build AVS sites like mad and forget them (that's how I started out), then they built freesites and forgot them, then TGP galleries and forgot them, then blogs... it will change.

[balls_deep]

Originally posted by Cozy Monica
Then they built freesites and forgot them, then TGP galleries and forgot them, then blogs... it will change.

freesites are still my main source of income

[Hyballs]

Hi folks, I hope Hammer wasn't referring to me when he made that remark. I've included a recent pix of "Casa del Hyballs" to prove it exists! Sorry I couldn't get a pix of my classic car, the tow truck hasn't brought it back from the impound yard.

Hammer: They brag about non existent mansions and cars and photoshop fake stats and the rest of the sheep think they're rich

Blogging is gunna keep this rat "In style"!

[Hammer]

Casa del Hyballs is exactly what I was referring to. How many people do you think really believe you live in a classy place like that? That's why I never post pics of my van down by the river. I know I say blogs are good but if everyone saw just how really good I have it, everyone would start blogging.

I think I'm going to go back to pushing TGPs and telling everyone there's no money in blogging. I'm getting tired of all this quality competition.