The Gallery/Freesite Building & Submitting Game 101

[phuckbunny]

OK Cozies, here are probably some dumb ass basic questions but I want to double check with my comrades if I understand this correctly. I'm way more comfortable with blogging and feel like I'm getting the hang of it thanks to all you helpful folks. But I need more traffic and more money (don't we all), so I'm going to give gallery and free site for LLs building a whorl. Some really basic questions:

1. Start off with buying some content. Now this finally makes sense to me - you don't want the same stuff, you want the pages to be original etc., and last but not least you get the 2257 docs for us in the US. Or do you? What's a reliable content provider? Do I actually get a scan of Ivanka Shmanka's Czech passport or what's the deal? And if so, how can I prove it's real.

2. Submitting to LL's seems to be easy, with the proper recips to penisbot et al, and if the freesite is put together okay, one has a good chance of getting listed, and by recip-ing yourself, you'll get traffic back to your site or blog or whatever, correct?

3. Gallery submits to TGPs. Now I know that LL traffic is better than TGP traffic and SE traffic is best. I feel like there's so many rules, regs, and what not that is why I haven't bothered with it. I understand if you need to get listed you gotta have a partner account - with the big guys - and even then, there isn't a guarantee that your gallery will be submitted... I'm going to break this up into a sub 3a.

3a. If and when your gallery does get listed, bandwidth will go through the roof and you will convert like shit, but theoretically, the sheer volume will make up for it, even with BW.

4. Apart from the big guys there are also countless TGPs that you can submit to, which might even convert better than the big cheeses but really the way to do that is get a copy of Chameleon and cross your fingers.

I guess what I'm asking is, is my understanding of this game correct, and for someone who's a newbie like myself, would I better off just sticking to blogs which seem to be working for me decently for only porn mongering less than a year?

Any feedback is appreciated, my friends.

[sunfunbill]

Well, just my 2 cents here, but there is only so much time in a day. I just wasted my whole day trying to get a upload php script to work, and I STILL don't have it right!

So, if your already good with blogs, and from what I hear and see most do better with them, why waste all the extra time learning something that takes so much time and seems to be growing smaller in $$ returns.

If your going to do something different, do some free sites. TGP's take so much work if your just getting into it, you do go through a lot of bandwidth if you hit it good, and that does not mean you will get one sale.

Me, I'm sticking to blogs, both mainstream and porn. I'm slow, so it takes all my time just doing that. I don't know how you can do so many things at once!

[razor]

1. Start off with buying some content. Now this finally makes sense to me - you don't want the same stuff, you want the pages to be original etc., and last but not least you get the 2257 docs for us in the US. Or do you? What's a reliable content provider? Do I actually get a scan of Ivanka Shmanka's Czech passport or what's the deal? And if so, how can I prove it's real.

Not really necessary to buy content, cheap content is as over-exposed as sponsor content. Its better to find sponsors who have good content and use that.

2. Submitting to LL's seems to be easy, with the proper recips to penisbot et al, and if the freesite is put together okay, one has a good chance of getting listed, and by recip-ing yourself, you'll get traffic back to your site or blog or whatever, correct?

I wouldn't recip back to my blog/hub etc - you won't get listed. Rather just link back to your blog/hub with one of your 3 outgoing links on each page - you won't have any problems with this.

3. Gallery submits to TGPs. Now I know that LL traffic is better than TGP traffic and SE traffic is best. I feel like there's so many rules, regs, and what not that is why I haven't bothered with it. I understand if you need to get listed you gotta have a partner account - with the big guys - and even then, there isn't a guarantee that your gallery will be submitted... I'm going to break this up into a sub 3a.

Don't bother with paid PAs until you get the hang of it. It takes time to build up a decent submit list and will take a while to get decent levels of traffic.

I think it pays to diversify you traffic streams and your income

[mynameisjim]

I agree with what Razor says about #1. I get the feeling that buying content to promote sponsors is a bit of a hold over from the earlier days. Your sponsors should be unique enough that no $5 content can sell it. But it all depends on your niche. With some niches you can buy content that will work yet for others it won't do so well so you have to pick and choose.

[porn punk]

Okay, i'm going to throw in my one cent so you get an extra penny out of thus (now I probably, owe you money )

Most of what razor said I agree with - paid content is only as over used is free content, it also has the tendency of pissing the surfer off when he thinks he's getting something new and ends up on the same old sponsor he's seen one million and one times before in his journey. Two why not just ask your sponsor if you can get a membership. A lot of mine have not only given me them but have offered before I asked. There is no way someone else is cutting clips from their content the way you are going to so you will basically have original content after a fashion and original enough that surfer doesn't feel betrayed after his click through.

I'll admit I don't do this as often as I should after I get the memberships because of something Bill said. You only have so much time in a day, but ultimately I promise you'll get better conversions than paid for content and not only that you'll get that better ratio everyone seems so over concerned with. If you ever want to mess up your ratio. Just start using paid content that has nothing to do with the sponsors you're promoting.

And in my opinion, if you're promoting anyone worth signing up for, these content vendors just don't have the content to match. Ultimately, your eye for content is what's going to get you anywhere in this business. I think there are some sponsors you disservice by using only softcore stuff because the surfer has no idea what they could be getting. I think there are some you disservice by using pics (i.e. squirting stuff etc.) because pictures can't tell the story. I think there are some you disservice by using movies because the models are hideous and the photographers are brilliant ( don't expect a lot of rebills with these type)

Also, for almost a year, I used nothing but chameleon and a couple of blog toss ups now and then. This wasn't out of choice, but because I was in between getting cable internet and could only use free wi-fi. Time was precious and working was a nightmare but I was able to survive the entire time and I'm still standing. So this is finally why I'm convinced galleries convert.

[balls_deep]

just start making a freesite pb, submit it and wait for the linklist to catch up. If there is a problem GG&J will alert you within a day.

[porn punk]

Originally posted by balls_deep
just start making a freesite pb, submit it and wait for the linklist to catch up. If there is a problem GG&J will alert you within a day.

Hey, Balls, how you been? I have a question here I'm battling with that maybe you can answer.

Why do free sites, where you can only link two galleries from the same sponsor, when you can just do a blog that most Link Lists are accepting now where you can link six or seven galleries (plus), from different sponsors in addition to side bars etc. with even more stuff?

I'm wondering if there's a even a reason for free sites anymore because of the extra work involved.

As Bill brought up there's only so much time and I usually choose between blogging and free site construction (always get a gallery or two in so that's not an issue with me), so I'm curious as to a blogger's opinion on this

[sunfunbill]

Why do free sites, where you can only link two galleries from the same sponsor, when you can just do a blog that most Link Lists are accepting now where you can link six or seven galleries (plus), from different sponsors in addition to side bars etc. with even more stuff?

I think it all comes down to what you have been used to. Oldtimers that have always made free sites and TGP galleries just assume that's the thing to do. There are still a lot that don't understand blogs and don't do them.

Also some have a knack for different things. I am sure some make great money on free sites and TGP galleries whereas a lot don't make squat.

It's like asking why someone works as a cleaner, or driver, or packing plant. It's just what they are use to and don't look around to really see what else is out there they can do.

[porn punk]

Originally posted by sunfunbill


It's like asking why someone works as a cleaner, or driver, or packing plant. It's just what they are use to and don't look around to really see what else is out there they can do.

Actually this is because (In America Anyway) a person used to be able to make a decent living and raise a family because there were companies having to pay decent rates for these thing.

Then came illegal immigration and global economy and now our fearless leaders are selling us out while running on platforms about how much they're going to do for us.

By the way, these other people they're claiming to try and bring into our coveted life style are still living in grass huts because their governments control their economy so basically our fearless leaders are just helping support modern day slavery.

WHEW! Felt good getting that off my chest even though it has nothing to do with nothing!

[Hammer]

Blogs are good but freesites still have their place. The advantage you have with freesites is that you are only giving away two galleries worth of content at a whack and hopeully the surfer will like the content and join the site. On a porn splog you're giving him potentially many galleries of free content to look at on each page. Even if he was inclined to consider clicking to check out the pay site in one of your galleries he'll probably more likely keep looking at the rest of your galleries, which means he'll probably be exposed to many sponsors instead of just one and maybe even end up getting his rocks off and then losing his desire to pay for something.

Sploggers will eventually figure out that although it's easy to make splogs and they can get a burst of traffic initially, eventually they'll end up converting not much better than a TGP.

Now, on the other hand, if you have a real blog with a little free content once in a while along with pay site reviews, product reviews, personal stories, opinions, etc. then I'd say yes, that blog will most likely convert much better than a freesite and if you are limited on time it would certainly be best to concentrate on the blogging.

DISCLAIMER: As always the above is simply my opinion.

[porn punk]

Originally posted by Hammer


Now, on the other hand, if you have a real blog with a little free content once in a while along with pay site reviews, product reviews, personal stories, opinions, etc. then I'd say yes, that blog will most likely convert much better than a freesite and if you are limited on time it would certainly be best to concentrate on the blogging.

DISCLAIMER: As always the above is simply my opinion.

You're opinion gets stronger and stronger with me with each one of my failures. I'm still looking for that idea that makes it worthwhile for me to create an original blog instead of a splog because I'm assuming it's going to take up most of my time.

Right now, I think - me personally - I'm better off splogging and learning all the technical stuff while making a little money.

[balls_deep]

hey pornpunk, you won't get the same amount of traffic from splogs like you do from a freesite, evem if you submit to the same linklist as your freesites.

you can make a splog successful If you run it like a real blog... updating with fresh text. but you'd be better off just making a real blog, IMO.

I still make freesites, but i'm getting ready to switch sponsors for a while and get a godaddy hosting account as you suggested, and was discussed in another thread.

The biggest pain in the ass for a real blog is tweaking a theme which takes me damn near a month until I'm happy with a theme or my blog setup.

[sunfunbill]

The biggest pain in the ass for a real blog is tweaking a theme which takes me damn near a month until I'm happy with a theme or my blog setup

I hear ya there! I'm still working on a good gallery thingy for my picture page. Yes I have downloaded all those plugins, but some don't work on my theme and/or version. Sometimes I want to just put a link on a page that goes to a damn html page I can make myself!!!!!!

[balls_deep]

Originally posted by sunfunbill
Sometimes I want to just put a link on a page that goes to a damn html page I can make myself!!!!!!

you can always just make the html in your html editor then copy the code to the wordpress page for your gallery

[sunfunbill]

That's the first thing I tried. Even with rich text off because it's in a php page it screws it up!! I did that about 4 times, wasted days. Maybe it's just my theme, don't know.

[balls_deep]

bill here is an example of what i'm talking about.

http://sexocalypse.com/blog/free-gallerys/

that is a gallery page using just tables out of my html editor. i could add text and other effects if i wanted. Its all on a wordpress page.

[porn punk]

Originally posted by balls_deep
hey pornpunk, you won't get the same amount of traffic from splogs like you do from a freesite, evem if you submit to the same linklist as your freesites.

you can make a splog successful If you run it like a real blog... updating with fresh text. but you'd be better off just making a real blog, IMO.

I still make freesites, but i'm getting ready to switch sponsors for a while and get a godaddy hosting account as you suggested, and was discussed in another thread.

The biggest pain in the ass for a real blog is tweaking a theme which takes me damn near a month until I'm happy with a theme or my blog setup.

You know what, I have a theory on this (me being and advanced newbie and with an opinion like Clint Eastwood's asshole opinion ).

I think you should change anything allowed on anything you can as much as possible as soon as your sign ups stop. There's nothing better to the surfer than fresh stuff as bad as G feels about it

[phuckbunny]

Great thread. Thank you for all the insights. I think since blogging works for me currently, I'll stick to it and maybe try building a free site here and there just to see what happens.

One of my problems is that I'm impatient by nature and while I enjoy making posts - unless I'm burnt out and feel like there's nothing to write about - I'm just trying to figure out what else I can do to bring more traffic to my sites apart from posting incessantly and waiting for that elsuive SE traffic to appear for whatever keywords I got going.

Hey, here's a question. I have an old fake tgp that's practically abandoned. Would it be worthwhile to add a blog to it to generate SE traffic? The domain is about a year old. Heck, I could even fed it from my good blog and duplicate everything.

[balls_deep]

Originally posted by phuckbunny
Hey, here's a question. I have an old fake tgp that's practically abandoned. Would it be worthwhile to add a blog to it to generate SE traffic? The domain is about a year old. Heck, I could even fed it from my good blog and duplicate everything.

Don't duplicate content on two domains unless you want your SE ranking to tank.

just an FYI.

[LincolnLog]

Originally posted by balls_deep
Don't duplicate content on two domains unless you want your SE ranking to tank.

just an FYI.

I have one blog where all my posts are hand written.

I have another blog that I will occasionally post the first paragraph from the handwritten blog with a link to read the rest of the article.

Is that duplicating enough to get my SE in trouble?