SEO- How to best do for adult sites?

[Jerry y.]

I have lot of experience with SEO for regular sites.

You put search terms in page title and good text on the page among other things.

Question:
With adult sites that are successful and rank well, how come I don't often see these search terms in the title, and I hardly ever see text on the page?

Also, what are best search terms?
In regular world, there are good resources for finding best terms. Is there any such resource for adult websites? thanks!

[fpanko]

SEO is the same in adult as it is in mainstream. Coming up with good keywords is simply knowing the product that you are trying to sell.

With adult sites that are successful and rank well, how come I don't often see these search terms in the title, and I hardly ever see text on the page?

There are more importiant factors in determining the contents of a page than the title. Sure, it's good to have a few good keywords in you title, but it isn't the determining factor when it comes to page rank and natural listings.

[sojproductions]

If you look at one of my sites www.straponjane.com and then do a search for strapon or strap on on google.com you will see us at position 1 to 3, there is no body text on the page, what makes our seo so successful is the meta tags and domain, but also the sheer amount of sites that link to us is probably the most important thing behind the term we want being in the domain url.

Unfortunately time and effort is also a major factor..

It leads to 20,000 minimum uniques each month so thoroughly worth the effort..

[Jerry y.]

thanks So Jo,
well you are also blessed with a niche product.
My solo girl site will be tougher.

I've read that meta tags are not that important these days compared to title/text.

How do you get your links, old fashioned way, by asking?

[Hammer]

Originally posted by sojproductions
If you look at one of my sites www.straponjane.com and then do a search for strapon or strap on on google.com you will see us at position 1 to 3, there is no body text on the page, what makes our seo so successful is the meta tags and domain, but also the sheer amount of sites that link to us is probably the most important thing behind the term we want being in the domain

The meta tags are actually not doing anything for you. No major search engine puts any emphasis on META keywords anymore and only a few even look at the META description and even then, only to provide a description on the SE but it is not used in any way to affect your position in the SERPS.

What is working for you is that you have an all graphical page and the only actual html text, like the link to your legal statement and your email address, have the word strapon in them along with the word in both the title and the url. This gives you a high density for the word 'strapon' compared to most of your competition.

p.s. I just searched for both 'strapon' and 'strap on' on Google and didn't find straponjane.com in the top 20 for either search.

[Hammer]

Jerry, no one is going to tell you what search terms work for them.

Try using the Overture keyword suggestion tool.

[Jerry y.]

Excellent insights Hammer.
What about my point though Hammer, why on adult sites that do so well, I don't see the SEO, in titles, and the text on page as I do with mainstream photo sites?

[sojproductions]

linking in..yep the old fashioned way, asking.

thanks for the insight hammer, i have heard from alot of people that using the terms in url links is the way forward, i try and make page names a bit longer and a bit descriptive now as this also helps.

Just did another check for my strapon terms and i am still number 1, however im in the uk, may be it changes drastically depending on your location...although i use google.com and not google.co.uk and presumed this was the 'global' engine, perhaps you can shed some light on that, could help us all..

[mynameisjim]

The text on your page will determine what terms you get indexed for. For the most part.

Your inbound links will determine how well you rank. For the most part.

On page SEO just gets you in the game, off-site SEO is what wins the game. For the most part.

[Hammer]

Well Jim, I'm going to have to disagree with you a bit there. I've been getting quite a bit of Google traffic to one of my new sites from many top ten lsitings and it started within a few days of my starting the site and well before I had any inbound links. The site is now about 3 months old and just got out of the sandbox today and now has a PR2. I've not encouraged a lot of linking yet since I'm still tweaking the programming and have only done a soft launch at this point.

All of the traffic is coming because of the text on the pages. One interesting note is that the script generated page titles that used a numbering system when I first started the site so one of the first things I had my programmer do was change it to pull the text from the post headings for the URLs. However, a surprising number of hits come to the pages that were indexed using the original numbering system so the URLs don't even contain the keywords.

Inbound links help but IMO, the real traffic comes from well SEO'd pages. Of course inbound links are part of the process and help to some degree, but in my experience, the tried and true method of making sure the important keywords are used in an H1 header, in the url, in the title of the page, in the text and in the alt tags, still works the best.

[DosTwo]

First of all Hammer is dead on that the meta tags for straponjane is not a determining factor. I conduct frequent tests and recently ran one with the meta keywords tag and I can tell you that Google does not recognize the tag whatsoever. Yahoo does recognize it but the weight is not noticeable. But I would be willing to bet that if your link profile, onpage and all elemnts of your SEO campaign were exact but you had the term in your meta keywords tag and your competitor didn't then you would beat them out of their spot in Yahoo.

On Page SEO is a must and combined with the right linking campaign can help dominate the SERPs but your link profile and anchor text trump everything on page.

I had a link building client that was going to redesign and when they did they neglected to implement their meta data and on page efforts. Their cache day was coming up in about 3 days so I warned them that if they did not get this data back on their pages they stood a very good chance of a major drop. Needless to say they didn't implement and were cached without any on page efforts. In a competitive landscape of 200million plus that can be a death sentence, but since I had been over compensating for their terms in my link building they didn't suffer any SERP fluctuation.

On the other hand, On Page optimization is a must when it comes to avoiding rank killing tech issues that can destroy rankings so...... What really is more important.

Come to think of it when I look at a website with a great link profile that just isn't ranking I always examine the architecture, meta data and other on page elements to find and correct the issues so.... hrmmm.

Just trying to get at the fact that it's all important and none of it should be over looked because you can not compete in competitive markets without it.

Hell we haven't even discussed age, trustrank or exact match domains.....

This is why I love seo. It is fun and you always need to find a new solution.

My favorite experience so far is getting a site to rank by having links removed from its profile rather than building them.

Have work to do so I'll spare you more bs spouting.