"Quality" Blogging - Question for you Blog Pros

[phuckbunny]

I know I brought up the question of blog vs splog before, and having spent quite a bit of time surfing I certainly found my answer, although the 'quality' blogs I have found which I liked, apart from the ye olde Flehsbot, tend to center a lot around fine art photography, sex news, weirdness and not too many shameless sponsor plugs. Some more research led me to know that these blogs often get quite a bit of traffic. Not sure how much money they make but a recent visit to netpond I saw a thread where quite a few people with dozens and dozens of blogs (which are splogs) top out at about $100 a month. That's crazy. I remember Hammer mentioning a chick from Netpond who is up to 300 blogs or something and we both wondered how much $ she makes. I have a feeling that the arty blogs may be more successful, but I'm not sure.

I'm a bit burnt out on writing porn copy and would like to do something more my speed with that kind of blog in between all the cock pussy ass cum and tit talk that I do on splogs.

I'm wondering though, how do these blogs develop their traffic? Is it mostly seo? In that case, if google calculates your PR by inbound links, and there are hardly any friends on the blogroll, well, I've posted about this before, but... On the other hand, these 'quality' sites I found are very picky about exchanging links with you. I'm also a bit confused as to the amount of 'fair use' they can get away with by posting images from the websites of professional photograpgers which are copyrighted, natch.

Of course a lot of these sites have been around for a while as well.

I guess my questions/subjects for discussion are: 1. fair use of copyrighted images (not necessarily full blown PORN. 2. Where do these sites get most of their traffic from - if anyone has an idea. 3. Most of these blogs won't trade links with splogs or full blown porn blogs. If I were to try my hand at this, should I start building a network of my own blogs all llinking in and out of one another before approaching some of these folks for a link exchange?

Here is one example of the blogs I am referring to:

http://fluffylychees.blogspot.com/

This one says they get around 4K uniques a day and sell advertising spots. There's another one I just saw but lost the bookmark that is similar that gets about 12K. Anywhere in that range is pretty damn good for a blog, I think.

Any thoughts are appreciated.

[twan]

Quality content will always attract surfers. Quality blogs with unique content will get more mainstream surfers which will link from their blog to your blog, not because they want a link back, no just because they like your blog (hmm, this is how it should be )

Most of these blogs are run by friendly people which aren't out for big $, you can simply email them and ask for a link trade. Of course only if your blog has quality.

Copyrighted content is a difficult issue which such blogs

[Hammer]

Getting quality traffic to a blog is much easier than it is to a splog. Sure, a splog can generate a lot of traffic, but most will just be looking for free porn. So...

Based on my experience, you can make far more money with far less traffic, from a good blog than you can with a splog that is nothing more than a TGP and shuffling traffic back and forth with other splogs.

Like Twan said, mainstream bloggers are easy to trade links with, but there are other ways to generate traffic that don't work as well with splogs and some that you can't even use for splogs.

For example, search engine traffic will be more productive to a real blog, IMO, than to a splog. Why, because it won't be traffic that looked for 'big tits' hoping to find some free pictures, but instead will be traffic that was searching for something that you wrote about.

Then there are the social bookmarking sites like Digg, Technorati, Stumble Upon, Reddit, etc. None of those sites will work well if at all for a splog, but they can send huge amounts of traffic to a good blog.

Then there are blogging communities that also don't accept porn blogs, like My Blog Log, Blog Catalog, Spicy Pages, etc. These are communities of bloggers that visit each other's blogs and post comments and trade links with each other and work together to help each other.

Another huge benefit for mainstream bloggers is that they can use Adsense and that is way more important than you might know. With properly placed Adsense ads, a site that gets a lot of traffic and has no other visible forms of advertising can make a lot of money. Many of the mainstream blogs that you assume aren't making money from advertising are kicking butt with a few well placed Adsense spots.

Why does Adsense work so well? Because the ads are keyword targeted. So, let's say you write a post about Paris Hilton and have an adsense block on that page. A person goes to Google and searches for Paris Hilton and ends up at your post. They read it, but want more. What are the chances that they will click one of the Adsense links about Paris Hilton?

[phuckbunny]

Great pointers, fellas. Quick question -is adsense limited to strictly non-adult or can you straddle the fence a bit?

[phuckbunny]

OK dumb question that last one. They say no pornographic images.... But I could have sworn I've seen some blogs that fall into a grey area that use adsense.

I did find some ad brokers for advertising on adult sites, but I don't think they do the PPC model.

Getting ahead of myself of course... Better do some more grunt work first...



Hammer, did you mean Spicy Pages WILL accept adult blogs? I just went there and typed in sex and the first result was
"Anal Sex Blog: Anal sex, anal gaping, double penetration, and lesbian anal sex along with ass licking, anal fisting, butt fucking."

[Hammer]

Spicy Page will accept adult sites. I guess that's why they call it spicy.

[mynameisjim]

Adsense can definitely bring in a decent income. I get monthly checks from Big G, not a huge amount, but worth the effort.

Adsense income really varies on the type of site and the type of traffic, not to mention how you display adsense can have a huge impact on the amount of clicks you get. Making a minor change can double your income so you really have to tinker and test.

Personally though, I would rather get 4,000 SE uniques to an adult blog then a mainstream blog.

[phuckbunny]

I wish there was something like adsense for adult shit. Like I said the ad brokers I looked at don't really operate on the PPC model. I'm going to do some work on this, though. Here's another example of a good blog that I'm sure gets a shitload of traffic. No adsense in sight, but I doubt they are just doing it for fun and must be making dough.

http://www.sexoteric.com/blog/

[Hammer]

That is not a mainstream blog but plenty of people blog for the fun of it and not for the money. Based on their Alexa, I'd guess that site gets 1k to 1.5k a day, but there is some advertising and daily pics.

Personally I would rather get 4000 SE hits a day to a real blog than a splog. A real blog doesn't have to be mainstream, it just needs to be more than a revamped TGP.

[phuckbunny]

4K hits to a blog would be nice, exactly how you said, as long as it's a real blog. Otherwise I am coming to the conclusion that a blog that's basically a TGP will end up being a waste of bandwidth.

Checking out some of the ad brokers for adult sites that the blog I mentioned above, flufffylychees, uses, that kind of adult adsense can probably bring in a decent revenue for not doing much at all and just putting up those hardlinks, versus intensive traffic trading etc.

The lychees one I think gets about 3K uniques a day. They don't use hardsell for sponsors. More stuff to think about I reckon.

[EDS]

thanks for all the pointers! I've been having a great time writing my blog, It was originally built as a tool to help me learn the business a little better. How affiliate programs work etc etc.

I also built a tgp (my first one as well) on the same domain, and have good trades going...it doesn't convert well at all, but has good prod, which is useful in sending traffic to toplists and bumping up my sites...which is pretty much all I use the TGP for in reality. as well as promoting my own paysite and branding.

I have had a hard time getting my blog up above 150-200 uniques a day...its very steady at around those numbers but it seems to be its climax...its not a splog by any means. (www.slaveduties.com) by the way hehe (as in my sig) - I'm not sure which direction to go now to try and bring it up further.

I do have consistant readers though, and google analytics tells me the surfers I do get spend a lot of time on my site, and send very good traffic to my paysite, and has been converting well - so I'm happy with that part of it, but I desperatly want more than 150-200 uniques a day.

nose to the grinding stone!

[phuckbunny]

EDS you should be getting more hits than that esp if you keep the blog updated often enough. Do you use any SEO plugins? I would also include more visuals in the posts and make sure to use the right alt tags. After much trial and error, I'm finally starting to pick up in google. There's other ways of driving traffic to your site too but I should probably let the pros pick up this thread if they have the gumption.

[EDS]

Originally posted by phuckbunny
EDS you should be getting more hits than that esp if you keep the blog updated often enough. Do you use any SEO plugins? I would also include more visuals in the posts and make sure to use the right alt tags. After much trial and error, I'm finally starting to pick up in google. There's other ways of driving traffic to your site too but I should probably let the pros pick up this thread if they have the gumption.

thanks Phuckbunny! Took some of your pointers and am looking into them - and hoping some of the pros pop in and drop a few knowledge bombs on me! hehe

[LincolnLog]

Originally posted by phuckbunny
Otherwise I am coming to the conclusion that a blog that's basically a TGP will end up being a waste of bandwidth.

I think there is lot of confusion about blogs & splogs... if TGPs work and blogs work, why wouldnt a TGP/Blog work?

Im trying to put something together that is a splog, I just want to make it very quality splog with lots of options for my visitors. The right amount of freebies and original articles...

I am hoping it will be well received and am working through the challenge of how to write my articles... it has been said before, but the more personal and "in you own words" the better it will be in the end, Hammer also has mentioned using humor and pop culture articles to grab more attention as well.

Im not doing anything new, just trying to do it... and learn along the way. Quality blogging is tough, for me I was never interested in writing because i didnt feel i had the skills for it. But, after almost ten years of web design and browsing , good traffic still comes back to the old statement "content is king"


Hope to hear alot more about this topic. The entire process of learning about adult site production is making me an all around better webmaster, from SEO to understanding the ins and outs of RSS and image and video production.
Add in learning and understanding a content management system and you have a lot of work in front of you.

Im tired, but making progress

[porn punk]

Originally posted by LincolnLog
I think there is lot of confusion about blogs & splogs... if TGPs work and blogs work, why wouldnt a TGP/Blog work?

Im trying to put something together that is a splog, I just want to make it very quality splog with lots of options for my visitors. The right amount of freebies and original articles...

I am hoping it will be well received and am working through the challenge of how to write my articles... it has been said before, but the more personal and "in you own words" the better it will be in the end, Hammer also has mentioned using humor and pop culture articles to grab more attention as well.

Im not doing anything new, just trying to do it... and learn along the way. Quality blogging is tough, for me I was never interested in writing because i didnt feel i had the skills for it. But, after almost ten years of web design and browsing , good traffic still comes back to the old statement "content is king"


Hope to hear alot more about this topic. The entire process of learning about adult site production is making me an all around better webmaster, from SEO to understanding the ins and outs of RSS and image and video production.
Add in learning and understanding a content management system and you have a lot of work in front of you.

Im tired, but making progress

I think you make an excellent point here.

Writing for the web is actually bad writing because you need to use "purple prose". Most legit writers will know what I mean (not writers claiming to have novels in publication or screenwriters claiming to have things in production, but others will).

My emphasis on your post is content really ultimately is king. Porn is a visual medium. Everyone is pushing the same sponsers. You can be as fancy as you like in your wording and visual depictation, but you better get really creative in all facets for things to work