RevShare Vrs Sign Up Payouts?

[LincolnLog]

Hello CozyFriends!

My first post. I have been lurking and reading for a few weeks now... just got approved.

As I am slowly building my porn empire, I wanted to get some input on a question I face everyday as I select links from my sponsor.

Rev Share or the Flat Fee sign up option?

Im assuming most sponsors are offering from 40% to 80% rev share, which seems like the way to go for long term profits. However, some niches may be more fickle and you get one sign up, they get what they want and are gone.

My site will be focused on bit tit video reviews...
You can have a peek, but it has not had the SEO treatment yet and all links are not solid, and i have many more reviews and galleries to build.
The front page is is in a holding patern with the standard legaleze in place, but that page will get a facelift before its done. (I will ask for full reviews in a few weeks.)

Also: what are thoughts on flash tours instead of traditional html galleries? I was thinking it might be attractive and keep people from hijacking your content... but i might not be seeing possible drawbacks.

Thanks in advance for the partipation in this forum and sharing your hard earned knowledge with me.

LincolnLog
http://www.hopptarts.com

[Cozy Monica]

Rev share is the way to go. Per Signup always seems great because you get immediate rewards, and it seems like so much money, but you really are losing out big time over the long term.

When you've been in this long enough, those recurring memberships are a huge chunk of cash.

I'm afraid I'm not sure on the Flash tours but I'm sure someone here will help.

[Hammer]

Welcome to Cozy.

I'd like to point out that Cozy has a search function and the answers to many questions can be found that way.

[LincolnLog]

Hello Hammer - I have read alot of your posts!

I am not new to using forums and run many of them myself. I have searched for revshare discussions and didnt really find much... maybe im using the wrong terms?

Mybe you could point out a few of those threads for me?

I appreciate the response.

Lincoln

[LincolnLog]

Originally posted by Cozy Monica
Rev share is the way to go. Per Signup always seems great because you get immediate rewards, and it seems like so much money, but you really are losing out big time over the long term.

When you've been in this long enough, those recurring memberships are a huge chunk of cash.

I'm afraid I'm not sure on the Flash tours but I'm sure someone here will help.

Thanks for the help, those were my thoughts... so i opted in most cases for the rev share, I did choose a few key location for flat pay out, just to track that spot.

Thanks a bunch.

[Hammer]

Yeah, I just searched and found a few but here's a blog post I wrote on the topic a while back that you might find helpful.

http://www.pornsitepros.com/blog/200...e-or-paid.html

As you'll see, I don't necessarily agree with Monica.

[LincolnLog]

That is exactly what i was looking for.

The answer is - both work when applied in the correct situation/location/timing.

Excelent article, thanks again

[CuriousToyBoy]

Originally posted by LincolnLog
That is exactly what i was looking for.

The answer is - both work when applied in the correct situation/location/timing.

Excelent article, thanks again

That is 100% correct, and is why LionDollars offer BOTH PPS and Revshare linking under the SAME account ... choose whatever suits your traffic from wherever it comes.

;-)

[Cozy Monica]

In coming back to this thread, I had a thought that perhaps per-signup would be better in some situations, and then bang, there's Hammer's post!

I read your article Hammer and I think you're absolutely right.

There are a lot of situations where you're going to want PPS instead.

The thought that struck me before I read the article was the situation where someone is brand new, and trying out new sponsors, having no idea who is going to work for them and who won't.

In that situation, I imagine you might want to go with PPS because you want to find out which sponsors sell for you before you commit to any one program.

And of course, Hammer has explained very well in his article when you are going to be interested in which programs beyond that.

[theviking]

I see many will say go revshare, that is where the money lays.

My experience is different.
Unless you are selling microniches with frequently updated sites i would allways go PPS these days.

An example:
(don't pay too much attention at the sign-up ratio, as it is mostly TGP traffic)


Now, you woud have belived that from that number of sign-up's yu would have atleast around $9000 if you went with PPS. Well, here is the number:


That boils down to $17,58 and within that amount there are allso some recurring payment and payment from referrers.

I am not sure why i still promote this sponsor, but they have some great content in my niches... so...

As you see, revshare is not allways the best way to go, and my advice for all newbees is start out with PPS, then try out revshare as you go along and find some sponsors in micro niches and wich you think will sell good on a recurring bases.

Good luck

[mynameisjim]

Sort of like theViking said, with new sponsors I always go PPS if I can. It's sort of like a hedge bet. If the sponsor doesn't convert well at least I get some decent cash out of it before I move on. If it turns out great, I can always switch to revshare.

Also, for a 50 PPS payout and a normal rev share payout of say 15, you need that guy to rebill for 4 months to beat out the PPS, and then by only $10. If he stays a member for 3 months you still left $5 on the table.

For webcams though, with revshare you can almost live off just a handfull of big spenders.

By the way, if adult was a real business I would assume they would have statisticians determining the amount of the PPS and the PPS would always be the sucker bet, since that is how a real life greedy business would set it up. But I don't think this is the case as the PPS amounts seem pretty arbitrary and are always round numbers. Plus, if this was the case it would of leaked out long ago by a disgruntled employee.

So, I guess in closing I have added nothing new to the discussion. It all just depends on the sponsor.

[LincolnLog]

This place is like a bee hive!

Whack it with the right topic and watch the buzz!

Thanks everyone!

[Hyballs]

Hey Jim, Anyone from Alaska, Illinois, Michigan or Maine has the privilege of raving on at least once a day. We all know your suffering from sunstroke at this time of year & your probably delirious!

[porn punk]

If you want to break into the psychology of this just a little, a porn surfer who pays is only different from the porn scavenger in the fact that he knows he has to fork over money to get that extra stuff the porn scavenger isn't getting. Thus, he pays and moves and cancels and moves on to another site.

This is so bad in fact that sponsors that have blacklisted domains (with tgp's and freesites) have created new domains and rehashed old material under new marketing campaigns.

Just some food for thought

[jonnydoe]

I think with everything in this business it will very from person to person but in general you want to rev-share what you know or think will rebill well. If you think it will sell well and not rebill like a cheap trial on a shitty site then go PPS. That involves primarily the quality and niche of the site. Good rev share sponsors are hard to come by but there are some out there... What is nice about them is when your sales are down the rebills keep coming.

[Tito]

i'd prefer that my affiliates sign-up under the PPS plan but the vast majority go with the rev-share. i guess it all depends on the site but our rev-share pays out alot more than the initial.

[phuckbunny]

Originally posted by porn punk
If you want to break into the psychology of this just a little, a porn surfer who pays is only different from the porn scavenger in the fact that he knows he has to fork over money to get that extra stuff the porn scavenger isn't getting. Thus, he pays and moves and cancels and moves on to another site.

This is so bad in fact that sponsors that have blacklisted domains (with tgp's and freesites) have created new domains and rehashed old material under new marketing campaigns.

Just some food for thought

This is very true and something we should all think about not just in pps vs revshare but in the bigger picture. Slightly offtrack but still related, Revshare is great for the sponsor and the affiliate until you have to deal with chargeback but with your 'target surfer', the fact that most sponsors only offer a rebill option (even if they don't update their content or using rehashed content as PP said) is a MAJOR turnoff for porn purchasers either b/c they were burnt before with unwanted rebills back in the day or because it just seems scary. And it does! You don't want to sign up for a site and get sick of it and then deal with the hassle of having to get the runaround to cancel it! I have a couple of sponsors that use a no rebill option and they convert better. There is more money in rebills for both affils and sponsors but a no rebill option is something that pay site owners should really pay more atttention to, IMO. In fact, just charging a couple of more bucks for a no rebill works is very friendly to the surfer as well e.g. $20 a month recurring or $25 a month just for that month. Why don't more pay sites do that?

[jonnydoe]

Good point Phuckbunny...also i like to see a cheaper price for a fulljoin vs. the price for a recurring after the rebill on a trial. I think shorter trials are better as well. It doesn't take 3 to 5 days for a guy to squeeze one off...