Chameleon Submitter question.

[mynameisjim]

This is more of a curiosity than anything else as I'm not much of a gallery builder.

With Chameleon it can mass submit your galleries, right? But most TGP's require a recip, so does that mean you have to find out where Chameleon is going to submit, put the recip on the galleries, then submit or is there some sort of automation built in with the software to automatically insert the recips.

Say for example Chameleon want to submit to 40 TGP's in your niche, do you have to go and build 40 of each of your galleries with the right recips and then submit the right one to each place? That can't be how it is so I must be missing something.

Like I said, I never got into gallery submitting so this is probably a total newbie question.

[jonnydoe]

You set it up to submit where you want it to. There is automation after you build the first gallery and the submission. Many of the better places to submit will ban your ass if they catch you autosubmitting ;-)

[balls_deep]

i havent played with chamelion but advanced submitter has a feature where you just add a tag and it will insert the recip for you automatically and build the gallery.

[porn punk]

I use it all the time, and I haven't been blacklisted from anybody who matters. You mostly get blacklisted from the fly by night tgp's that are coming down anyway. They have it broken down so that the tgp's they know don't accept auto are in their manual submission section.

Just start out real slow with it until you understand all the features and then you'll be able to submit at an unbelievable rate.

They're the only submitter that regularly updates their database that I know of (I'm talking like 3 or 4 times a week not once a year) so you're getting more of a service than just a submitter.

They have an email confirmer I use also. You won't believe the amount of time you'll save.

If this thing didn't exist I wouldn't be submitting galleries. It's not worth the time and effort

[mynameisjim]

Thanks guys,

After reading your replies I did a bit more research and saw there is a way to put in the recips automatically.

For the price, I may give it a shot just for the hell of it.

BD, I'll have to check out advanced submitter, never heard of it till now.

[razor]

They have also released a submitter for link lists, which is a major plus, as the recips are all automated.

Most LL have category specific recips so that is a pain in the ass.

[balls_deep]

hey jim, if you decide to purchase advanced submitter or chamelion let me know what you think of it. I've been contemplating buying it for a while now, but my other projects have pushed gallery submission to the back of the bus.

[porn punk]

They just came out with a link list submitter a few days ago. I'm trying that out now. Never was much into free sites but I might change my tune now

[balls_deep]

Originally posted by porn punk
They just came out with a link list submitter a few days ago. I'm trying that out now. Never was much into free sites but I might change my tune now

I'd be interested to see how that works as well. Considering you need to have category specific recips that change quite often for linklist. Although I never thought it was that much trouble to submit a freesite by hand, I just submitted to 12 linklist yesterday and it took all of about 20 mins.

[theviking]

Originally posted by porn punk
They just came out with a link list submitter a few days ago. I'm trying that out now. Never was much into free sites but I might change my tune now

WOAW! That is something i would have been extremely careful with unless you are up to getting banned.
If it is semi-auto, kind of formfiller tool it actually is not anything new. I've been submitting freesites in manual mode with AS for a long time.

When it comes to CS i tried it a few months, but can't say i saw any traffic from it. Just read on another board a guy that has submitted with it now for 2 months and he saw a steadily 150(???) uniqs/day from it. Worth the money and time spent? I don't think so.

[jonnydoe]

Originally posted by porn punk
I use it all the time, and I haven't been blacklisted from anybody who matters.

No offense, but you must not be submitting to anyone that matters then... Many good TGP owners and most LL owners have the philosophy that if they hand review then you should hand submit. Submitting from AS in manual mode of course is acceptable. Some TGPs actually embrace auto-submitters and have no issue with them at all...

[porn punk]

Originally posted by theviking
WOAW! That is something i would have been extremely careful with unless you are up to getting banned.
If it is semi-auto, kind of formfiller tool it actually is not anything new. I've been submitting freesites in manual mode with AS for a long time.

When it comes to CS i tried it a few months, but can't say i saw any traffic from it. Just read on another board a guy that has submitted with it now for 2 months and he saw a steadily 150(???) uniqs/day from it. Worth the money and time spent? I don't think so.

Not sure, but all I can say is that I've gotten nothing but increasingly more sign ups since I've been using them and have been for over a year (tgp submitter).

I put it to two reasons. One they add new tgps and take away old ones and I don't have to spend my time working my database and can concentrate on submitting and building. Two, a good number of my sign ups come from the most unlikely places I wouldn't have gotten or even known about without their database.

I can't say anything about link list submitter yet, except that as far as the database goes it's the same, sites I had no idea existed I now know - so as far as this goes I think it's worth the price at least to get the database, but I'll let you know in a couple of months.

As far as the bigger tgps, I don't get that many sign ups from them, probably because other webmasters who have been around longer than me have better spots and have their cookies in place before I get there, so I depend on these little and newer tgps. I'll let you know if it works that way with link list submitter. It might be sort of a rip at this point because you're manually submitting half as much as auto and there are only about 300 link lists out there I think.

I will give you fair warning to look closely at your index page after first generation, because there were a couple of screw ups should you decide to check it out.

But I can assure you there is no way I'll manually submit to tgp's I don't have to when I'm submitting as many galleries as I feel the need to submit. There's just no way humanly possible it can be done. There's only 24 hours in one day.

As far as blacklisting goes - I'll just create a new domain with a new ip if it's worth the hassle once I get the program down like I did the gallery submitter.

[porn punk]

Originally posted by jonnydoe
No offense, but you must not be submitting to anyone that matters then... Many good TGP owners and most LL owners have the philosophy that if they hand review then you should hand submit. Submitting from AS in manual mode of course is acceptable. Some TGPs actually embrace auto-submitters and have no issue with them at all...

I would have to think there are a lot people out there using it claiming they are not because of this tendency to want to let the better tgp's think that. Also, the tgps you're talking about are probably being submitted to manually anyway.

Ultimately the only good tgp is one that gets me sign ups and I couldn't care less about name or status

[jonnydoe]

Originally posted by porn punk

As far as blacklisting goes - I'll just create a new domain with a new ip if it's worth the hassle once I get the program down like I did the gallery submitter.

Will you change your name too?

[porn punk]

Originally posted by jonnydoe
Will you change your name too?

If it were necessary. I don't intend on being blacklisted and if I was by someone who mattered I would email them.

Again, I don't get where this blacklisting paranoia comes from. I haven't been blacklisted yet from any tgp's that matter and have made a couple errors to a few and returned emails of apology.

I'm assuming you don't use these submitters since you're so against them so how would you know they get you blacklisted? If you have then I would return the question you just asked me back to you?

Serious question - not trying to be sarcastic here

[theviking]

Originally posted by porn punk

Ultimately the only good tgp is one that gets me sign ups and I couldn't care less about name or status

You are right about that.
If it works for you, just keep doing it, nothing better than that.

I was only giving my experience when it comes to autosubmitters (CS) and automatic submitting to LL's.

Be aware that some (of the biggest) LL's won't accept you if you submit from a domain with hidden whois, and then there will be no help in buying a new domain on a diff. IP if you get blacklisted. (Unless you are planning on changing you're ISP, put the domain on someone else and totally chamge you're building style) Those freesite reviewers must have some kind of telephatic forces i belive.

[porn punk]

Originally posted by theviking
You are right about that.
If it works for you, just keep doing it, nothing better than that.

I was only giving my experience when it comes to autosubmitters (CS) and automatic submitting to LL's.

Be aware that some (of the biggest) LL's won't accept you if you submit from a domain with hidden whois, and then there will be no help in buying a new domain on a diff. IP if you get blacklisted. (Unless you are planning on changing you're ISP, put the domain on someone else and totally chamge you're building style) Those freesite reviewers must have some kind of telephatic forces i belive.

I hear you on that.

The best luck I've had with LL's is using adam submitter, but I used it completely manually. Mostly I got it to get the database and then had to do so much work updating recips that most of my day consisted of updating recips and submitting manually which took almost the entire day. Needless to say, that made me a little anti free site.

I've only used chameleon LL once so far, but am about to try another time. Like I said it might not be worth it because there are only about 300 sites, but if they keep their recips updated I think it might be worth the interest.

Again, two things I wasn't happy with is I didn't see one of the biggies in the manual and hope i didn't submit them auto because that will take some fixing. Also they generated a couple of my indexes not to my liking, but I think it's my base design for my index I may have to fix.

I guess as far as free sites are concerned I've never gotten anywhere with them anyway really so I've nothing to lose and can just go back to galleries if these doesn't pane out.

If I had my shit together and a really good database that was giving me success I wouldn't take any unnecessary risks so I'm not suggesting anyone should do that, but if you're thing hasn't been galleries or free sites and/or you need a database, they're worth looking into.

Question isn't it hard to ban a provider's ip since so many people are using them? Just curious about this, I've heard it before but can't see how that would be possible since you'd basically be banning aol or someone and that wouldn't really help the banner very much would it?

[theviking]

Originally posted by porn punk

Question isn't it hard to ban a provider's ip since so many people are using them? Just curious about this, I've heard it before but can't see how that would be possible since you'd basically be banning aol or someone and that wouldn't really help the banner very much would it?

It ain't hard to ban, belive me on that.
And if you are banning a IP block that accidently allso declines other 2-3 submitters access to the page you can give them access by their email, userword etc. regardless of their IP.

It aint the fact that the LL are banning ppl, but the fact the reviewers can spot if you start to submit under a diff. username miles away. As i said... i do belive they have some kind of force we normal guys don't have

For the recips, why not make you're own recips? Then you not have to follow up the updates on the LL's changes all the time. And yes, most LL's do allow you to make you're own recips as long as you build them nice and SE friendly.

[porn punk]

Originally posted by theviking
It ain't hard to ban, belive me on that.
And if you are banning a IP block that accidently allso declines other 2-3 submitters access to the page you can give them access by their email, userword etc. regardless of their IP.

It aint the fact that the LL are banning ppl, but the fact the reviewers can spot if you start to submit under a diff. username miles away. As i said... i do belive they have some kind of force we normal guys don't have

For the recips, why not make you're own recips? Then you not have to follow up the updates on the LL's changes all the time. And yes, most LL's do allow you to make you're own recips as long as you build them nice and SE friendly.

Thanks. I'll keep that in mind. That actually might be easier for Free sites than submitters anyway. I actually wasn't aware for sure that free sites did let you make your own recips, but I saw another persons index page in here and actually liked the uniformity that making your own recips gave in appearance.

I might have to consider this.

I also wasn't aware that Link Lists wanted you to stay with one name like tgp's do as long as it was a legitmate email connected to the domain you're submitting or you had a partner account.

Again thanks for the info.

[jonnydoe]

Originally posted by porn punk
If it were necessary. I don't intend on being blacklisted and if I was by someone who mattered I would email them.

Again, I don't get where this blacklisting paranoia comes from. I haven't been blacklisted yet from any tgp's that matter and have made a couple errors to a few and returned emails of apology.

I'm assuming you don't use these submitters since you're so against them so how would you know they get you blacklisted? If you have then I would return the question you just asked me back to you?

Serious question - not trying to be sarcastic here

I don't know about you but I have worked my tail off to get PAs and establish relationships with TGP and LL owners. The blacklist paranoia comes from not wanting to damage the earned trust. The LLs are quicker with the blacklist trigger than the TGPs. I have tried Chameleon, Dream and currently have Advanced as I feel like that is the best of the three. In my spare time (lol) I will get Advanced set up to my satisfaction mostly for manual submits. To answer your question directly about how do I know that autosubmitting gets you blacklisted... I can't say first hand that it has happened to me. I can say that many of the places I submit to strictly ban the practice as stated on their submission pages. If you want to test it it out, try submitting to Greenie's LL with an autosubmitter...

I think it is fine to autosubmit to the places that have no problem with it. Doing so where it is not allowed is like playing with fire, in my humble opinion.