Touchy Subject Legal Question

[porn punk]

I was wondering if someone could direct me to a link and maybe even explain the laws about these simulated forced sex sites (i.e rape sites, etc.). I am currently under the belief (or have been informed so to believe that they are illegal).

My question is this. Why can a movie like Caligula get filmed mixing sex and violence, yet it's illegal (if this is the case) to have sites simulating rape and the such.

Once again, any links to info on these laws would be appreciated along with an explaination from anyone who understands this specifically.

My interest isn't necessarily in these particular sites, but something that could be grouped in such a category by some itchy politician or g-man out ot advance their career?

Thanks

[King Porn]

Consult your lawyer before venturing into a similar niche. I could tell you its ok but I won't be the one defending you in court. I bet your jail cell partners will love to know your into forced sex. Who dropped the soap? j/k. Seriously, consult legal advise on this subject and not board advice.

[porn punk]

Originally posted by King Porn
Consult your lawyer before venturing into a similar niche. I could tell you its ok but I won't be the one defending you in court. I bet your jail cell partners will love to know your into forced sex. Who dropped the soap? j/k. Seriously, consult legal advise on this subject and not board advice.

Yeah, guess you're right. Trying to wait until that is absolutely necessary but I think I'm going to hit the LA Convention this year so maybe I can find a lawyer who specializes in this particular area right there

Thanks for the response anyway

[mynameisjim]

This is one of those cases where even talking to a lawyer doesn't totally put you at ease.

Even though what you are doing may be legal, the problem with borderline content is that you can still be arrested by prosecuters trying to push the borderline in the other direction.

I know the movie industry gets an exemption from 2257 so maybe they have something for rape/violence scenes as well.

[porn punk]

Originally posted by mynameisjim
This is one of those cases where even talking to a lawyer doesn't totally put you at ease.

Even though what you are doing may be legal, the problem with borderline content is that you can still be arrested by prosecuters trying to push the borderline in the other direction.

I know the movie industry gets an exemption from 2257 so maybe they have something for rape/violence scenes as well.

Actually it's nothing to do with rape or forced sex, but there could be guns and other types of violence involved and it is a movie, but I'd like to cover myself financially with an internet connection.

Basically I know there's an allowance for things considered works of art, but that too is borderline. It's easier to just sell your work and have the company buying it cover these things, but I was just curious what people knew about this area - Mixing violent content and sexual content in a creative medium if it should somehow cross over into or be deemed the big no no.

In other words, Caligula showed penetration I believe, where as a movie like Salos, disgusting as it might be, didn't show any actual sex ( i might be wrong about these examples) Yet I don't believe Salos can be sold in the United States where as Caligula can.

Just curious if somehow can spell out this differences in black and white. I think most people in the adult industry have moral and personal reasons for not mixing sex and violence, but i wasn wondering what the actual laws were.

P.S. Prison is the least of my fears. Bankrupticy is my biggest fear.

[Hammer]

I suggest you do some research into the Rob Zicari aka Rob Black and Extreme Associates case since he was arrested for distributing extreme videos, some of which contained supposed simulated rape.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...eme_Associates

[porn punk]

Originally posted by Hammer
I suggest you do some research into the Rob Zicari aka Rob Black and Extreme Associates case since he was arrested for distributing extreme videos, some of which contained supposed simulated rape.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...eme_Associates

Thanks, Hammer. I'll do that.

[wmewebmaster]

One other thing to consider is that MC and Visa recently added some stipulations against violent content. Causing a few of the bigger TGPs and link lists to drop BDSM, or limit it to simple bondage. I believe blue Blood had to see about getting a different processor or merchant account as well.

Simulated rape stuff is definitely in the ghetto.

Salo didn't show explicit penetration, but definitely had buggering a plenty, also had scat and serious violence (Great, if disturbing, movie.) Also, there is the emerging "Extreme Cinema" trend, with movies such as Baise Moi, and almost all of French Director's Catherine Breillat's work, particularly Anatomy of Hell, which featured Italian Porn Star/Director Rocco Sifredi, and had some blood play (with a tampon no less) and menstruation sex. (Amazingly enough, Siskel actually wrote a review of Anatomy of Hell)

Another recent film is Murder Set-pieces that was notorious for like 6 film processors refusing to touch it. Think Henry: Portrait of Serial Killer with nazi memorabilia lots of sex scenes, and ten times the blood.

[porn punk]

Originally posted by wmewebmaster
One other thing to consider is that MC and Visa recently added some stipulations against violent content. Causing a few of the bigger TGPs and link lists to drop BDSM, or limit it to simple bondage. I believe blue Blood had to see about getting a different processor or merchant account as well.

Simulated rape stuff is definitely in the ghetto.

Salo didn't show explicit penetration, but definitely had buggering a plenty, also had scat and serious violence (Great, if disturbing, movie.) Also, there is the emerging "Extreme Cinema" trend, with movies such as Baise Moi, and almost all of French Director's Catherine Breillat's work, particularly Anatomy of Hell, which featured Italian Porn Star/Director Rocco Sifredi, and had some blood play (with a tampon no less) and menstruation sex. (Amazingly enough, Siskel actually wrote a review of Anatomy of Hell)

Another recent film is Murder Set-pieces that was notorious for like 6 film processors refusing to touch it. Think Henry: Portrait of Serial Killer with nazi memorabilia lots of sex scenes, and ten times the blood.

You seem to know your stuff.

This still doesn't explain Caligula though which I'm fairly certain did show penetration even when I saw it in the cinema in the United States (and of all places back in a surrounding Boston area satellite community which band the Warriors).

I'm starting to think it's about flavor of the week and you have to grow a big pair of balls if you want to do anything a little different

[balls_deep]

you also need to take into account that Caligula was released about 30 years ago before the religious zealots started their push against porn, Caligula is now viewed as a classic, but i'm not entirely sure that it would be released if it were to debut today rather than when it did.

[wmewebmaster]

There were several different versions/edits of Caligula floating around (Do disagreements between directors and producers and such), the version I remember seeing on cable was the Tinto Brass styled one, without the extra penthouse pet explicit sex bits. (Which is a shame really, <sniff>

There is wikipedia article on it.

[porn punk]

Originally posted by wmewebmaster
There were several different versions/edits of Caligula floating around (Do disagreements between directors and producers and such), the version I remember seeing on cable was the Tinto Brass styled one, without the extra penthouse pet explicit sex bits. (Which is a shame really, <sniff>

There is wikipedia article on it.

I'm pretty sure the one I saw in the theater was one of the last main stream movies to use the x rating and had penetration at least during the orgy scene. And I don't think there's a movie out much more violent than Caligula that has actual sex in it.

Salo didn't really do much for me to tell the truth but it's a good example of something pretty sick. I didn't consider it very violent. Or to have to much artistic quality where as Caligula I thought was very good at just about everything - artistic quality, production quality, narrative quality.

I remember even my high school latin teacher (i was in my senior but 17 years old at the time so allowed inside) got off on it and was raving about it in class. She wasn't a freak or anything either.

I mean there's better movies out there but not that have all the ingredients I started this thread about, or not that I know of anyway.

I remember it being harder to get into the exorcist than caligula even though there was a time span there.

[porn punk]

Originally posted by balls_deep
you also need to take into account that Caligula was released about 30 years ago before the religious zealots started their push against porn, Caligula is now viewed as a classic, but i'm not entirely sure that it would be released if it were to debut today rather than when it did.

good point. but still the 1st amendment is the first amendment and I do think Larry Flynt was dealing with stuff like this though on a slightly different path even earlier than that.

Course that had a lot to do with the area (geographical) he was working in.

[pyratas]

"Salo" focuses on the power of suggestion --even with lots of nudity, whereas Caligula has penetration. Both are legal in the US (at least in San Francisco).

I've gotta question the 2257 of Salo though, I know it was a LONG time ago when it was produced, but damn, I'd be nervous if I was involved in making the film (the film is Italian I believe and being so old, laws were very different).

Both are great films (if you like Exploitation Cinema) but on the other hand, there's people like Max Hardcore that do the same exploitation without artistic merit (IN MY OPINION!).......

I wouldn't focus on this niche because it disturbs me, but I would and WILL focus on bondage because I've been practicing it for years.


I hate to say "stay away" from something......but you're talking about a line that I would never cross (at least in the US).

--Pyratas

(How did films like "Farmer's Daughter" become legal in the 70's? I dunno.....I was born in '75 so I missed out on the 42nd Street Style Cinema.....They'd never get away with that again.)

[girl distracted]

i have a friend that had a snuff/horror film site, but he was constantly harrassed and questioned by feds. it was enough to make him take it down.