Did you see this already? "Feds Nail Hardcore Producer"

[blosker]

MAY 31--If federal prosecutors get their way, Uncle Sam will one day own the web site pissedonpornstars.com. That's because Paul Little--described as a "Hollywood director and producer" in a Department of Justice press release--has been indicted on federal obscenity counts.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive...31071max1.html

[Lana]

GOOD!!! Max Hardcore is a fucking psychopath who goes way over the line into just pure abuse.
I'm NOT into censorship at all but you have to draw the line somewhere and he is it.
The guy's fucking NUTS!!!

[Hammer]

Lana, that's a very bad attitude for someone in the porn business to have. I don't personally like Max and I've met him, have you? However, he's never done anything illegal to my knowledge. If what he does disgusts you, don't look at it.

Saying we have to draw the line somewhere is very naive. Don't you realize that George Bush and the moral majority want to draw the line at nudity, which means they want to put YOU out of business? What makes you so special that you should be the one that can say where to draw the line but Bush can't?

There is only one place that a line should be drawn, and that's at what the majority of the civilized people in this country consider to be illegal, which at this point is CP and anything else that is illegal like rape. Even violence is a tough point to draw the line as long as it involves consenting adults. Some women have a twisted need to be abused and are willing to be paid to let a man do it to them.

[balls_deep]

can someone give me a heads up here? I read the article and indictment. What are they charging him with in layman's terms? I see some dvd distribution and a reference to some tour clips. are they just claiming that his content is too brutal?

[Cozy Monica]

I think the bottom line is consenting adults. I don't think the majority of people should be able to decide what I can and can't do in my own bedroom.

I can see why a lot of people are offended by certain kinds of content, but I don't believe that gives them the right to censor it. They have a right not to buy it or view it.

[Hammer]

Originally posted by balls_deep
can someone give me a heads up here? I read the article and indictment. What are they charging him with in layman's terms? I see some dvd distribution and a reference to some tour clips. are they just claiming that his content is too brutal?

He shipped DVDs to a community in Florida with strict obscenity standards. The charges also iinclude distributing content via the Internet though, and that's the disturbing part.

[balls_deep]

thanks hammer

[Lana]

Lana, that's a very bad attitude for someone in the porn business to have.

I totally agree with that statement and your entire post Hammer. But whoa have you seen this guy's stuff.
I watched a show on PBS or something on the porn biz in the Bush era. The left were saying what your saying, the Bushies were holding him up as their example of what their trying to stop.
Intrigued, I joined one of his sites to see for myself.
Yes, there's few old gals that just don't care what you do to them for a buck. But more often than not you get some naive waif, looking to get into the glamourous life of porn, whom I'm sure is told before hand that a little rough is Uncle Maxes way.
It's not far into the scene when these girls are gettin pissed on, puked on slapped around and ripped apart that thery're in way over their heads.
If they show any fear or reticence, he just pores it on even more.
You can tell by the looks on there faces at the end they're pretty shaken up by the whole experience.
Violence in movies is all staged. His movies are more akin to "Bum Fights" which were pulled because they exploited human beings for our enjoyment.

[Hammer]

Yes, I've seen his stuff. I've seen his 'stuff' in person.

Two years ago he got in a spot of trouble at the Internext in Miami because he was doing his pissing act with some of his girls in the hotel hot tub.

None of that compares with the sneaky fucker stealing my table reservation at the restaurant though.

None of the girls in his videos go into anything without knowing exactly what is going to happen. Sure they look surprised. So do the girls that get thrown out of the Bangbus van, but that's staged too. I assure you that if at any point any of those girls said 'enough', he would stop.

This industry needs people like Max for the precise reason you mentioned. It gives the government something to look at and keeps them away from the vanilla stuff. The issue is not what our opinions of extreme porn are, but how the courts look at it.

Obviously there's a market for what he does or he wouldn't be doing it.

[grimfang]

In any industry, there will always be the occassional person who feels compelled to push the envelope as far as it will go. On one hand its a good thing, because it drives innovative thinking and helps the evolution of the industry. On the other hand it can lead to public backlash and outrage, depending on the specific circumstances.
In 'art', particulary when it comes to the film industry, we tend to come across people who produce some pretty controversial stuff. Just yesterday some 'artist' ate a cooked dog as part of a public demonstration and 'live art' piece... it got a ton of media coverage. Did the guy do it because he believes in his cause, or just because he knew it would generate a ton of publicity? And was it really a dog he was eating, or just some other meat product? We have no way of knowing.. but the media took the whole scene at face value.
I certainly am not going to call Max Hardcore an artist. I tend to think of him along the same lines as 'Jackass'... some sort of pornographic stunt performer. But his work is entitled to the same protections as any artist. I might not like his stuff, but he has the right to film it as long as everyone on the set agrees to what is happening.

The nature of his content is not really the point of the case, but that will continue to cloud the issue. The simple facts are that he violated the law by sending his material thru the mail. Its a pretty simple matter.. either he did, or he did not do it. Its a black and white case. The law is bullshit, but it is the law. I just do not see too many people storming the steps of the Florida capitol to demand a change. Right now we have two groups of people out there: Those who chooose to break the law and risk jail, and the rest who sit queitly by and fail to demand a change in the laws. Neither of these tactics will result in a repeal of these laws.

The laws regarding internet transmission of pornographic material is a totally seperate subject. I really doubt those laws would ever hold up in court, but I am not a lawyer so I really don't know for certain. The internet is not the same as traditional mail because the materail never physically passes thru the hands of a third party... thus, the government cannot claim to have been a party to the transaction unwillingly. With traditional mail, the government voices opposition because the postal carrier ( a government employee) has unwittingly been made an active participant in the transaction by hand delivering the product. (Yeah.. a bullshit law, but thats their justification for it.)

[Cozy Monica]

I guess I feel some concern for the younger girls that get involved in the business with dollar signs and glamour in their eyes.

I believe that there are indeed some young women who get involved in the business without being entirely aware of how it will make them feel or how it will affect their lives.

I think there are some people in this business who take advantage of them in particular.

And that, in my opinion, is very wrong.

However, censorship is not the answer.

There are lots of women at eighteen who are strong and sexual, who make good decisions and want to be involved in hardcore porn.

And we can't legislate assholes out of existance unfortunately.

People need to learn to be more responsible for their own lives and make good decisions. And we all need to do some looking out for each other without laying down laws telling us how to do so.

At least, that's my opinion.

[mynameisjim]

I was going to reply to this thread but after reading Cozy Monica's post, mine would just be redundant.

[Lana]

I think we're all on the same page when it comes to censorship.
It's just that, when I saw the faces of some of these girls after their scenes. The look of betrayal, the look of "that was not what I signed up for", the look of being utterly violated, contrasted with the pure glee and mysoginistic hatred in his eyes.
It was nice to see a little heat under his ass.
Kinda like the guy that beat's up the guy that kicks the puppy.
Yes, these girls a warned before hand but at that age do they really know what they're getting into before it's too late?
Although, some call him a visionary, from what I've read he's a bit of a pariah in the main stream porn world. Most porn stars won't work with him.
But yes, I agree he's entitled to do what he does.

[AdorableAudrey]

I have a hard time feeling sorry for the "poor naive girls" - their choice, their responsibility. There are plenty of people in all walks of life who won't stand up for themselves, do things they don't want to because someone else told them to, etc....but really whatever a person does is their own responsibility and their own fault for going along with everything. I mean, I have turned down candy from strangers many times and we all should have learned that in pre-school so if an 18 year old woman is going to let herself get taken advantage of, it is her fault. If we as women want independence, we need to be taking responsibility for what what we go along with ourselves, and everyone needs to be on the lookout of people trying to take advantage of you, whether you have nice boobies or not.

Honestly I have less of a problem with porn like this than I have with, say, TV shows that compile footage of car accidents and stuff...I don't enjoy either but everyone has a different level of what creeps them out which is why drawing a line in the sand is pretty tough to do.

It would make life a whole lot easier if the government would write up a list and say this act is okay to film and that one isn't, but I am sure the last thing they want to do is make our lives any easier.

[razor]

Originally posted by Hammer
Yes, I've seen his stuff. I've seen his 'stuff' in person.

Two years ago he got in a spot of trouble at the Internext in Miami because he was doing his pissing act with some of his girls in the hotel hot tub.

Hammer - anybody use the hot tub afterwards

[Hammer]

Originally posted by razor
Hammer - anybody use the hot tub afterwards

I'm sure someone hopped in later that hadn't been there or heard about it. But, remember, urine is sterile.

[Cozy Monica]

From what I've heard, your urine is only sterile to yourself. But that sounds silly... I can't remember where I heard that.

[razor]

You guys are amazing - all these useful facts about urine

[mynameisjim]

I think urine is sterile but only while it is inside of you and for a brief period after it leaves you. Once it leaves your body it can host bacteria just like any other substance.

[balls_deep]

my urine could melt a plastic cup