advertising for models

[Ledrak]

I need some advice on how I should best go about advertising for models. I know how I'd go about it if I were doing softcore content. But I need to find models willing to do full blown, hardcore boy/girl content.

Ok, this in and of itself wouldnt be too much of a problem if I just hired strippers and professionals, but that's exactly what I dont want. By trying to stay within my niche, I have a feeling that finding the right girls will be like finding needles in haystacks.

Does anyone know what tends to work well when advertising for hardcore models, vs what tends to NOT work so well? I want to make sure I handle this casting process as efficiently as possible.

[Ledrak]

Ok... perhaps I should re-phrase my question. If I were going to do a public advertisement (newspaper, flyer, etc.), how detailed should I be in the job description?

[Cozy Monica]

Unfortunately, I'm not sure of the best way to go about it.

I'm assuming that the more detailed your ad is, the more likely you are to get what you're looking for in a model.

However, you do want to write a discreet ad as it sounds a lot more professional, at least in my eyes.

Maybe someone here can be of more help.l

[balls_deep]

I'd post something like.

Models wanted for artistic erotic photoshoot. Modeling experience is a plus but not required.

then give your contact info and explain all the particulars over the phone.

[Ledrak]

Originally posted by balls_deep
I'd post something like.

Models wanted for artistic erotic photoshoot. Modeling experience is a plus but not required.

then give your contact info and explain all the particulars over the phone.

Ok, so I've thought about this some more. And I've come to the conclusion that my goal from the ad would be to get models to come to our casting. Therefore, I think it would be in my best interest to be as general as possible until the model gets to the casting, where all will be explained and there'll be a much better chance of hiring the model.

[balls_deep]

Originally posted by Ledrak
Ok, so I've thought about this some more. And I've come to the conclusion that my goal from the ad would be to get models to come to our casting. Therefore, I think it would be in my best interest to be as general as possible until the model gets to the casting, where all will be explained and there'll be a much better chance of hiring the model.

if a model doesn't want to be shot naked then you aren't going to convince her the day she shows up for what she thinks is a main stream modeling gig. If i were you i would make sure that you let any models know exactly what you are planning before you drag them to your casting session. If you piss of the right model you will be hard pressed to find others once she blast you on the modeling boards.

[Ledrak]

Originally posted by balls_deep
if a model doesn't want to be shot naked then you aren't going to convince her the day she shows up for what she thinks is a main stream modeling gig. If i were you i would make sure that you let any models know exactly what you are planning before you drag them to your casting session. If you piss of the right model you will be hard pressed to find others once she blast you on the modeling boards.

Oh definitely. What I meant by being general was telling them over the phone that if they're willing to be naked on camera we'd like them to come to the casting. Then I can work from there to find out just how much more they're willing to do.

Of course, since the models will be required to do more than just pose nude, I'd probably have to start with; if you're willing to at least masturbate on camera then we'd like you to come to the casting . It'll be REAL interesting to see how many people hang up the phone at that point.

[balls_deep]

i'd throw erotic or adult into your ad when you post it, you don't want to field calls from every chick in town who thinks they are going to be the next kate moss. There are plenty of women out there willing to take thier clothes off for a few bucks. By being direct in your advertising you will receive less junk "traffic". I realize we are talking about an offline venture, just trying to relate it to something we understand as webmasters.

marketing is all the same, in the aspect that you are trying to sell a specific product to a specific group of people. You wouldn't feed a mature site with a teen banner would you? of course not. anyone who clicked on your banner was just uninterested when the found out where you sent them. but if you link your banner to your actual content the surfer isn't pissed and might stick around to buy something. Same thing with models, no one like to be fed bullshit. be honest in your request and requirements up front. you will have better luck.

[Cozy Monica]

I would really avoid using the word "artistic" in your ad, unless you want to imply softcore only. When I think artistic, I think of nude posing only.

I think you should say adult modelling, or adult actress.

I don't think there's anything wrong with being a bit more general on the phone and giving the details when they arrive, but like balls_deep said, you don't want to mislead them, have them come all the way there, and get pissed when they hear that the shoot is hardcore.

[Ledrak]

Well, I think I'll say something like "models wanted for erotic photo and video work". That should get the idea across that it's not just some artistic softcore style nude work.

[Ledrak]

Would it be wrong when they called to tell them that they must be willing to be nude on camera (knowing that the job will at least require them to do some masturbation) and then throw in the details at the casting? Or do I need to be more direct over the phone and give them details about the job before they come to the casting?

[balls_deep]

I'm sure that anyone that contacts you for for adult modeling is going to want to know the details before they commit. Just don't blatantly lie to them. If they ask if it will require hardcore then tell them the truth right then and there. If you know you are going to want masturbation then you aught to tell them when they contact you. If you wait till the shoot you are running the risk of a shoot without a model.

[Ledrak]

Originally posted by balls_deep
I'm sure that anyone that contacts you for for adult modeling is going to want to know the details before they commit. Just don't blatantly lie to them. If they ask if it will require hardcore then tell them the truth right then and there. If you know you are going to want masturbation then you aught to tell them when they contact you. If you wait till the shoot you are running the risk of a shoot without a model.

I think maybe you misunderstood. This is going to be a two part casting process. The ad is just the 1st step to get people to call in. Then if they are interested we tell them to come to the casting. That's where we'll meet with them face to face and decide what they will and wont do, and if we even want to use them for the shoot. We'll then pick the best girls out of everyone that showed up for the casting and then book them for the shoot.

So with that in mind, the question would be how much info do I give them over the phone? Because when they come to the casting (which will be like an audition of sorts) that's when I would prefer to give out all the extra details.

[Mish]

Originally posted by Ledrak
I think maybe you misunderstood. This is going to be a two part casting process. The ad is just the 1st step to get people to call in. Then if they are interested we tell them to come to the casting. That's where we'll meet with them face to face and decide what they will and wont do, and if we even want to use them for the shoot. We'll then pick the best girls out of everyone that showed up for the casting and then book them for the shoot.

So with that in mind, the question would be how much info do I give them over the phone? Because when they come to the casting (which will be like an audition of sorts) that's when I would prefer to give out all the extra details.

I think my head might explode from this thread... and please don't take that the wrong way... I just think you're missing the advice everyone is trying to give.

I think the point everyone here is trying to get across to you is no model/actress, whatever is going to appreciate taking her time to come see what you're all about and finding out that it's a job she's not interested in doing.

Not to mention the fact that it makes you suspect and automatically untrustworthy if they feel they've been misled or lied to. Not a great way to try to begin a relationship.

I would be as detailed as possible in your ad and would be even more detailed with your phone screening. Otherwise you're going to get a large amount in interest that ultimately won't pan out, and that only wastes both your time and theirs.

Don't say nude modeling if you really mean hardcore sex.

[Ledrak]

Originally posted by Mish@LVNCash
I think my head might explode from this thread... and please don't take that the wrong way... I just think you're missing the advice everyone is trying to give.

I think the point everyone here is trying to get across to you is no model/actress, whatever is going to appreciate taking her time to come see what you're all about and finding out that it's a job she's not interested in doing.

Not to mention the fact that it makes you suspect and automatically untrustworthy if they feel they've been misled or lied to. Not a great way to try to begin a relationship.

I would be as detailed as possible in your ad and would be even more detailed with your phone screening. Otherwise you're going to get a large amount in interest that ultimately won't pan out, and that only wastes both your time and theirs.

Don't say nude modeling if you really mean hardcore sex.

I never had any intention of flat out misleading or lying to anyone. I would never say the job was nude modeling. But, I dont think it's a good idea to be explicit in an open advertisment. I will however tell the models exactly what they need to know over the phone, so there wont be any surprises.

[Mish]

Originally posted by Ledrak
So with that in mind, the question would be how much info do I give them over the phone? Because when they come to the casting (which will be like an audition of sorts) that's when I would prefer to give out all the extra details.

Okay, I obviously misunderstood what you are saying here then.... because it reads that you would prefer to give all details once they are onsite, not over the phone...

[Ledrak]

Originally posted by Mish@LVNCash
Okay, I obviously misunderstood what you are saying here then.... because it reads that you would prefer to give all details once they are onsite, not over the phone...

No... you're misquoting me. I said all the “extra” details. I’ve done a lot of work with professional modeling agencies, and the models are often never told of exactly what the job entails until they get to the casting. “They might say, we’ve got a casting for you at 5pm. It’s for a magazine.” You wouldn’t necessarily know what kind of photos they wanted until you got there and talked to the director.

In my mind, the only thing the models need to know over the phone is that we’re casting for an erotic video/pictorial and that you will be required to be nude and in some sort of sexual situation. If that’s too much for them, then we end the conversation and go on to the next girl. The particulars they can find out when they get to the casting. If they don’t like what they hear at the casting, then they can go home. I don't see how that's at all misleading.

Does that clear it up for you?

[Mish]

Originally posted by Ledrak
I will however tell the models exactly what they need to know over the phone, so there wont be any surprises.

Originally posted by Ledrak
In my mind, the only thing the models need to know over the phone is that we’re casting for an erotic video/pictorial and that you will be required to be nude and in some sort of sexual situation. If that’s too much for them, then we end the conversation and go on to the next girl. The particulars they can find out when they get to the casting. If they don’t like what they hear at the casting, then they can go home.

You don't find these two statements at all contradictory?

[Ledrak]

Originally posted by Mish@LVNCash
You don't find these two statements at all contradictory?

No. How is that a contradiction? I think that's exactly what they need to know over the phone. I dont know what you find so unclear about that.

[Mish]

Originally posted by Ledrak
No. How is that a contradiction? I think that's exactly what they need to know over the phone. I dont know what you find so unclear about that.

Wow... okay, not going to keep trying to explain the difference if you are unable to retrace your own words...

Best of luck.